Match head primers

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nosee posted this 3 weeks ago

 

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nosee posted this 3 weeks ago

Been trying these,can,t get velocity to average close enough for dependability. Best to use for home defense, I believe.

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ray h posted this 3 weeks ago

Just me but in a true home defense I want the "bestest, mostest and badest" I can get.

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Squid Boy posted this 3 weeks ago

nosee, not sure exactly what you are doing. Re-priming spent primers? I haven't tried that but I have done rimfires with good results. Can you give a bit more detail? Squid Boy

"Squid Pro Quo"

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Wineman posted this 3 weeks ago

When I was a young person, I stuffed CO2 cylinders from BB guns with matches and launched them from a 1" galvanized pipe tied to an M1 Carbine stock. One went off in the tube instead of rocketing forward but only the pipe suffered. Five years ago I started at my first "large" winery. The General Manager was about my age, 60's and he only had one hand. After we got to know each other, I asked him how he lost it (I'm thinking industrial accident). He says he was stuffing a CO2 cylinder from a BB gun with Strike Anywhere matches (I used book, strike on the package matches) and it detonated in his hand. Fossy jaw was a serious industrial illness (almost as bad as Radium watches) where the white Phosphorous removed Calcium from your bones  for workers in match factories. Plenty of houses have gone up in flames from kids playing with matches. MATCHES ARE DANGEROUS!!!

Just saying.

Dave

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RicinYakima posted this 3 weeks ago

Same reason for "meth mouth". Red phosphorous is use in one method to make meth, and it replaces the calcium in your bones and teeth. Anyone under 60 with rotting teeth is suspect.  FWIW

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mashburn posted this 3 weeks ago

Hello Ric.

What you said about Meth Mouth  is a sad situation, especially when you witness it in some of your former students, who had everything in the world going for them and then fall addicted to that crap. This part of the country has really fallen victim to Meth usage.

Mashburn.

 

David a. Cogburn

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RicinYakima posted this 3 weeks ago

Spent 20 years fighting it , but NW US and OK and two states east became hell holes because of it.

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nosee posted this 3 weeks ago

 Already have the best,a yard full of mean dogs.Just trying to learn more about everything. This primer shortage have my friends worried,I have some for myself.But need to learn and help others.I,'ll find a way to measure each powder amount so all primers are the same.I now have to much variation in velocity from one primer to the next.I,'ll keep at it and be careful.

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nosee posted this 3 weeks ago

Yes,used primers packed with finely crushed strike anywhere match heads.Need to find a way to measure crushed powder so all primers are the same.Velocity varies some now 200 fps, high to low. Groups  ok at 20 ft.5 shot 3in group,self defense,not so good at a longer distance. Two in.barrel doesn't help.I,'ll keep trying.

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Squid Boy posted this 3 weeks ago

Try mixing the tips with acetone and gently crushing them into a paste. Weigh that out into the cups after the firing pin dent has been ironed out. Then put the anvil back in place then let it dry. Should work. As to meth mouth, I don't know what the answer is but it isn't an open boarder. Squid Boy

"Squid Pro Quo"

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delmarskid posted this 3 weeks ago

 I wonder if a slurry could be made with the match compound and acetone. This might then be syringed into the cups. 

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TRKakaCatWhisperer posted this 3 weeks ago

Hmmmm.  CO2 cartridges.  They slide nicely down the bore of a 12ga.  Don't ask what I filled them with...

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Squid Boy posted this 3 weeks ago

I use a syringe to do 22's. Just fill it up with match-tip-mush and you're all set. I fill my CO2's with a mix of powdered magnesium and sulfur. With just a dab of black powder in the end to get things started then top it off with an old winged musket cap. Don't try this at home. Squid Boy

"Squid Pro Quo"

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Wineman posted this 3 weeks ago

That was one the the fuels that Homer Hickam used in the book and movie October Sky for his rockets. The CO2 cylinders were fun, just unpredictable and of course dangerous as hell. Luckily they had not invented milk carton portraits and helicopter parents. If we could get out hands on something that would burn, explode, smoke or make a noise we made an effort. At my High School someone pulled the pin and tossed a A/N MK-8 yellow grenade into the quad (seniors only). My buddy and I recovered it. Everyone just went back to class. Columbine was 25 years off in the future.

Dave

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delmarskid posted this 3 weeks ago

I use a syringe to do 22's. Just fill it up with match-tip-mush and you're all set. I fill my CO2's with a mix of powdered magnesium and sulfur. With just a dab of black powder in the end to get things started then top it off with an old winged musket cap. Don't try this at home. Squid Boy

 

I have a crossbow. I should go look for carp with this rig you speak of.

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.22-10-45 posted this 3 weeks ago

I was still in High school & I read somewhere that the US gov. banned the sale of ammo to Indians out west during the early 1870 time period.  To get around this, they soaked match heads in water & smeared the paste into the rim recess of their Henry, Spencer,..or whatever other rim fires they needed reloading for.  I was  intrigued by this and had to try.  In shop class I made a .22 heeled bullet mold out of Aluminum bar stock..not having a cherry, I roughed out cavity..Lee Precision had just came out with their molds and advertised using a hard steel "button" to "coin" final shape of cavity..I turned up a tool steel "bullet a few thou. oversize for shrinkage * using a hydralic press brought the two mold halves together.  I worked!  mirror finish in cavities.   The firing pin on my old Marlin 81c wouldn't dent a fired case, so I annealed them to a glowing red..cases were dead soft..at the time I thought this was good..more like original 1870 era copper case!  I dried primed cases in oven of an old cast-iron wood range we had in camp in woods.  I still remember that heady sulpher smell filling the room.  I wasn't old enought to buy powder, so my sister bought a square metal can of Unigue.  I made up a powder scoop from a fired .22 l.r. case..this was dragged thru powder, scraped off flush & case filled to top! (MY guardian angle was earning his overtime hazardus pay at the time!) .  Everything worked OK, except in real cold weather, you would get click-bangs.

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LarryW posted this 2 weeks ago

Never tried the matches, heard about it ?? I do want to get one of those 22lr reloading kits from

Sharpshooter, comes with bullet mold, tools & priming compound. Looks interesting..

A day late & a dollar short, story of my life ???

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nosee posted this 2 weeks ago

It works but is a lot of work.I bought one is very time consuming

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Coydog posted this 2 weeks ago

If you looking to load  primers for handgun and rifle and shotgun . I use the roll from cap guns that was used , also make sure they are made in Germany . The caps is the main thing I use for the reload. and in some I add 3F or 4 F Black in it and some I do not , also make up my own caps for my side hammers ML  . I use the caps and also some magnesium mesh in it to help with the firing.  It works for me to do all I want it , Just incase I will run short of factory primers . If anyone wants to know more detail on it let me know . 

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mashburn posted this 2 weeks ago

Hello nosee,

I would like to see more detailed information on this process and maybe some pictures if possible. You have captured my interest.

Thanks,

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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Coydog posted this 2 weeks ago

For  handgun you take the primer apart and then you clean out the cup and then take a flat punch to fit inside the cup and take the sent out , then you put some BP  3 or 4 F and then  a cap from the roll for cap guns and then you put the anvil in do not put alot pressure otherwise the primer will go off. I had some that did and other one. 

For shotgun  you take it apart and then the same with the cup and clean out the body of the primer and then you the discarded paper from a hole you punch in paper. you place one over the hole in the body , then you put the anvil pack in and then you put enough  BP to give a boost when the cap gose off, and then you put a cap from the roll of caps in the cup and then take your time to press the cup back in the body . Then you done. 

For rifle you take it apart and do the same like the others  and then you put 5 caps in the cup and then  then anvil because some times the primer will go off ,

As for side hammer caps . I use the cap o mac to make the caps out of soda or beer can. I double the metal . and then I put 2 caps in it then the magnesium mesh and then 2 more caps . then you cap is done and then on the rifle you remove the nipple and put the powder you use to shoot with in the hole of the the nipple to fill it then you put the nipple back on then you good to go to shoot.

Note  what you want is that when the powder of the shell or cartridge or the ML  to be at the flash hole.to have it go off like you want . Also you do this at your own risk. I take no responsibility . The is for information use only what one dose is in there own hands .   

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mashburn posted this 2 weeks ago

Thanks coydog,

Now I know. Like the commercial says ,Inquiring minds want to know.

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 2 weeks ago

as one that used to reload shotgun primers with new commercial primer cups ...  maybe drilling out rifle brass to take shotshell primers would make desperation-loading easier ... shotshell anvils are easy to seat with a little forked rod.

also, Berdan primed cases might be considered ... the anvil is already located for you.   although removing the primer cup with the hydraulic method sounds messy ...   i hear ...

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cap guns ... hey i still have my gunslinger set of pearl-handled Hubleys my big sister got me when  i was about 8 years old ...  cartridge belt doesn't fit me anymore though ...

ken

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Coydog posted this 1 weeks ago

Thanks coydog,

Now I know. Like the commercial says ,Inquiring minds want to know.

Mashburn

 

 

You welcome .I did alot of testing  mainly on rifle was the had one that I had work with to work with out a hang fire like it was, first I tested in the 22 -250 and then in the end I tested in 308 win  with the light load of about 10grs of Unique  and 113 gr bullet . If anything will work the best for the reloaded primer to get the true one to work  like it should was a light load  because the powder will not be always near the flash hole like it would for if you went with full charge of powder and heavy bullet. 

 

You can find the roll of caps for cap guns are at Cabelas in the toy part of the store , they are made in Germany  , they are the best  do not use  the ones made in China they are not made right and will not get what you want .

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mashburn posted this 1 weeks ago

Hello Coydog,

A friend of mine has made and is trying to work the bugs out of a little 22 caliber rifle with a turret breech block that fires .22 pellets and also cast .22 hornet bullets, It is charged with black powder and is ignited by the good German roll caps. It is quite a little piece of work. I plan on taking the primer reloading info and put it in my notebook for future use. The way things are going this could be some good info to have around.

Thanks a lot for the info,

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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mashburn posted this 1 weeks ago

Hello nosee,

Keep the experimenting going and keep us posted on the process, Looks like some valuable information that might be useful in the future.

Thanks,

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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nosee posted this 6 days ago

I watched videos on u tube,time consuming,strike anywhere matches only,they are hard to find.

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R. Dupraz posted this 6 days ago

mashburn wrote

 

"A friend of mine has made and is trying to work the bugs out of a little 22 caliber rifle with a turret breech block that fires .22 pellets and also cast .22 hornet bullets, It is charged with black powder and is ignited by the good German roll caps. It is quite a little piece of work."

Black powder Handbook 1979, page147 Sam Fadala

 Northwestfirearms.com single shot cap ignition firearm

 

R.

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nosee posted this 6 days ago

Doing 38spl,that's my carry.All have fired so far,even froze some to see,all 5 fired

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mashburn posted this 6 days ago

Hello R. Dupraz,

My friends experiment is quite different than the rifle you mention, which I am well aware of. My friends rifle can use either percussion caps or rolled caps. He is also working on a proto type with three breech blocks that will fire; .22 rimfire, nail gun blanks with pellets, and black powder and ball ignited by a round wheel striker. The first rifle mentioned has practically all of the bugs worked out  and is giving good accuracy with cast .22 Hornet bullets.

The afore mentioned rifle is going to be sent to Cimmaron and may be manufactured in the future.

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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ray h posted this 6 days ago

Mr Mashburn, do you have any idea what kind of pressures those blanks generate???? That would be neat to breech seat a cast bullet and drive it with blanks in a Contender. What I remember was they left a lot of fouling in my old stud gun though.  

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 6 days ago

i think if i wanted to get past a primer shortage, i would go to electronic ignition ...  

sure could get a light trigger ...

ken

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Coydog posted this 5 days ago

I am glad to help those who want to look into it , I started to get into it when in the past when we where have some problems with finding what I needed and wanted a back up and I took my time one some of it to get it where I wanted and I finally got it and glad to shear what works for me. I do not anything that is electronic or anything like that because it is one thing that will not work for what I wanted to make work for me . 

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