I scoped the throat of the Savage 06 I found hidden away. How they managed to cut this throat is a complete mystery to me. I'm going to firelap it to see if it smooths out. The raised portion in the pictures leave what amounts to scratch marks on the bullet but it still shot alright when I tried it.. Weird
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Also found this up at the crown so it'll get the round head brass screw and lapping compound treatment.
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so much for the legendary Savage barrel quality !
hope your lapping helps it out.
"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!
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Lots of reamer marks in that barrel Pat. You have any idea what year that rifle is? You have shot this rifle already haven't you?
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No idea when the gun was built. The "chatter" marks don't bother me because all the Savages I've ever looked at had them.. It's the raised metal on the throat lands. And I have shot it once and it shot alright but that throat can't be helping anything.
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stop the frustration, throw away the bore scope ????
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That throat looks like my Winchester mod 94 .30-30. Almost no leade, the rifling just starts. I have firelapped one barrel and will never do it again. I have lead lapped over 100 (most weren’t mine) and I find it a much more controllable process. That crown is going to take a long time with a round head screw. You might consider getting a crowning tool from Pacific Tool and Gage or Brownells. I wouldn’t worry about the reamer marks, I have seen barrels that were much worse that shot very well. I’m not sure borescopes are our friends.
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Have you ever used the SS pins to clean your brass? That throat has impact marks all over it. The rest of the barrel has the reamer marks feed rate before it has the button rifled through it.
But those marks sure look like what happens when the SS ins are left in the case and fired.
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I like having a bore scope. It has saved me from making a couple bad purchases. On the flip side it can get you worried over nothing.
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I don't know the history of this gun because I don't even know where I got it. I agree it looks like impact marks but since I don't tumble or even clean my brass if someone messed it up it wasn't me. It doesn't have to be perfect since it shot alright but if I can improve it a little with firelapping I'll take it. The reamer marks are typical Savage from the barrels I've seen but they shoot well so that's not a concern. I like having and using a borescope. There's a chance I have a PTG crowning tool. I'll have to check the tool box.
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I have a Savage Axis in '06 that I bought in 2012 I think, it shoots great. I don't have a bore scope. I also have an Axis in 6.5 Creedmoor and it also shoots great, I bought it in late 2019.
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No idea when the gun was built. The "chatter" marks don't bother me because all the Savages I've ever looked at had them.. It's the raised metal on the throat lands. And I have shot it once and it shot alright but that throat can't be helping anything.
I was merely making a statement about the reamer marks. I've seen worse barrels then that (not talking about the throat part) shoot cast very well. Some were pretty ragged barrels on military rifles. Crowning isn't a bad idea.
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I wouldn't waste a lot of time trying for a perfect crown. In spite of the almost universal belief about the need for a good crown, it is hard to damage a crown enough to cause bigger groups. See Mann's work 120 years ago or the article in Fouling Shot #230 (July/Aug. 3014). Of course truing it up is unlikely to make things worse.
John
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Several times at the Military Nationals, shooters would say the crown was not good while looking thru a magnifying glass for their poor results. That night they would polish the crown and shoot better the next day. I think that it was nerves and excitement leading to poor shooting, not the crown. But they talked themselves into believing it.
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I think that it was nerves and excitement leading to poor shooting, not the crown. But they talked themselves into believing it.
Thanks for the replies. If my lathe was wired up I'd knock out fixing the crown in short order but since my move its been sadly neglected. I'm a firm believer in confidence being at least 50% of results. The ding in the crown might have absolutely no effect on how the gun shoots but I'll know it's there. Maybe if this thing doesn't work out I'll just look around for a replacement barrel and kill two birds with one stone. As long as it's a factory replacement that's allowed in HNT class right.
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Thanks for the replies. If my lathe was wired up I'd knock out fixing the crown in short order but since my move its been sadly neglected. I'm a firm believer in confidence being at least 50% of results. The ding in the crown might have absolutely no effect on how the gun shoots but I'll know it's there. Maybe if this thing doesn't work out I'll just look around for a replacement barrel and kill two birds with one stone. As long as it's a factory replacement that's allowed in HNT class right.I think that it was nerves and excitement leading to poor shooting, not the crown. But they talked themselves into believing it.
Let me tell you about that ding in the muzzle. Back when I was doing gunsmithing work I got an old Remington Semi-auto 22LR rifle in. You know how they crowned them with the radius muzzles back then, well the ding was in the middle of the thickness of the barrel, that is between the bore and the outside diameter of the barrel. Want to know how far it threw the bullet off? The target was two feet from the muzzle as I wanted to see how far off it would throw the bullet. It was a good foot!! Put the barrel in the lathe and recrowned it and the rest was history.
Aw hell, don't be lazy, wire the lathe up and do the job right Pat!!
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Want to know how far it threw the bullet off? The target was two feet from the muzzle as I wanted to see how far off it would throw the bullet. It was a good foot!! Put the barrel in the lathe and recrowned it and the rest was history.
Cmon man. I was born on a day but it wasn't yesterday! The barrel threw a bullet 1 foot out when the target was 2 feet from the muzzle and recrowning cured it? I dont think so. Doesn't that equate to 150 feet out at 100 yards? Maybe the front sight was mounted on the side of the barrel and you didnt notice or you were working on a Krummlauf.
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The edge where the bore meets the crown looked undamaged and round, not as though the dent in end of the muzzle pushed any metal in. It shocked the hell out of me when it shot that far off that close. I have another one for that's not to do with the crown. I was pushing a Finn 39 past it's limits for cast. I was testing as I though she was key holing and I wanted to try to recover the bullet in nice fine damp dirt. She keyholes full sideways at six feet! Never had one do that. Back to the 22. My friend who's a gunsmith recrowned it as my lathe was down. When I shot it, it wasn't cured! I had to take it back to him to take more off. The second time did it. I have no idea how it got that bad. No the bore was fine right up to the edge of the crown. I saw zero unusual wrong with the end of the barrel. I don't care of noboyd believes it or not. Guess you'll have to ask the flys on the wall.
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"The target was two feet from the muzzle as I wanted to see how far off it would throw the bullet. It was a good foot!!"
nice story....
"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!
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I have owned 3 Remington 700's chamered in 223 Remington. The first one I purchased had a terrible nonuiform throat, but the rifle shot decent, about 1" at 100 yards. I emediatly purchased a bore scope to inspect rifle throats before next purchase. My following Remington 700 had more perfect throats and grouped better.
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