I scoped the throat of the Savage 06 I found hidden away. How they managed to cut this throat is a complete mystery to me. I'm going to firelap it to see if it smooths out. The raised portion in the pictures leave what amounts to scratch marks on the bullet but it still shot alright when I tried it.. Weird
Attached Files
I recall in the early days that Savage indeed used a backhoe to pull the rifling button through.
Could you point me to some literature backing that up? Sounds a little far-fetched but I'll keep my opinion to myself until you can prove it one way or the other. Or maybe you were just kidding.
Attached Files
Thanks for the offer but the question of when it was made came from someone else. I couldn't care less since it's what I have and don't know why knowing when it was made would make a difference anyway. But once again thanks for the offer of looking up the info. What surprises me is the comments on the reamer marks in the barrel, which dont bother me at all, while overlooking the fact that the lands in the throat look like they were cut with a backhoe.From the letter code it was made between 1982 and 1989.That means your letter code is "E", if interested, with the first 3 digits of SN I can get you to the exact year. Looking forward to seeing your results after fireforming!
I recall in the early days that Savage indeed used a backhoe to pull the rifling button through. Kind of like when Joyce Hornady first started he pull copper tubing though a sizing die that was in the outside wall of his house using his truck outside.
Attached Files
From the letter code it was made between 1982 and 1989.That means your letter code is "E", if interested, with the first 3 digits of SN I can get you to the exact year. Looking forward to seeing your results after fireforming!
Thanks for the offer but the question of when it was made came from someone else. I couldn't care less since it's what I have and don't know why knowing when it was made would make a difference anyway. But once again thanks for the offer of looking up the info. What surprises me is the comments on the reamer marks in the barrel, which dont bother me at all, while overlooking the fact that the lands in the throat look like they were cut with a backhoe.
Attached Files
From the letter code it was made between 1982 and 1989.
That means your letter code is "E", if interested, with the first 3 digits of SN I can get you to the exact year. Looking forward to seeing your results after fireforming!
Attached Files
Never look. Just go shoot that thang! It will smooth itself
Shooting the thang is in the forcast but I'd have to shoot it everyday for a century for that throat to smooth itself up.
Attached Files
Never look. Just go shoot that thang! It will smooth itself out.
.jpg?width=690&upscale=false)
With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.
Attached Files
Thats a good throat for a good concentric (bumped) bore rider.
Attached Files
Well that's an improvement, when you going to test it out and shoot it?
Soon as I get a chance.
Attached Files
I firelapped the barrel today. It's far from perfect but to my eye looks a little better. I shall see. For guys who say bore scopes arent necessay how could you get cool pictures like these without one. This scope is a Teslong that you can get on Amazon for under 60 bucks and hooks up to you phone or computer.
Well that's an improvement, when you going to test it out and shoot it?
Attached Files
I firelapped the barrel today. It's far from perfect but to my eye looks a little better. I shall see. For guys who say bore scopes arent necessay how could you get cool pictures like these without one. This scope is a Teslong that you can get on Amazon for under 60 bucks and hooks up to you phone or computer.
Attached Files
if 200 paper patch bullets smoothed a bore I'd imagine 2000 would wear it out. I'm with pat,pass the butter knife!
"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!
Attached Files
Hey just for the hell of ithttps://www.vintagegunscopes.com/savage-serialization
Those serial members are for 99s. From the letter code it was made between 1982 and 1989. That's the best Im gonna do because I don't care what year it was born but if I keep finding problems with it I'll be able to point to the exact date it died. Paper patching a couple hundred 30 caliber bullets will happen right after I go in to get castrated with a butter knife.....in other words neither thing is ever gonna happen.
Attached Files
No idea when the gun was built. The "chatter" marks don't bother me because all the Savages I've ever looked at had them.. It's the raised metal on the throat lands. And I have shot it once and it shot alright but that throat can't be helping anything.
Hey just for the hell of it
https://www.vintagegunscopes.com/savage-serialization
Attached Files
If you want to smooth the throat out and clean up the tool marks in the rest of the barrel, all you need to do is make up a couple hundred paper-patched bullets, load them, and shoot them. They will clean and smooth the throat and the rest of the barrel out until it looks like it is hand-lapped and polished. I have used this on several rifles whose barrels looked terrible. If you ever took your kids to an amusement park you may have noticed how smooth the railing are. Those railings were polished by all of the bare hands of the people holding them while waiting to go on the ride. It positively will not harm the barrel either.
As for the crown, I discount the current craze and theory that the crown controls the accuracy of the rifle. Yes, it is the last thing that the bullet has touched, but I had an old gunsmith who built rifles for the US Navy's marksmanship unit and he would crown the barrel with an old hand-cranked drill and a semi-round bur in it. Bill would clamp the rifle or barrel in a vertical position in a vise and do the crown with his hand-cranked drill, and of the two rifles he built for me both shot minute of angle or less with my losds, even cast shot well in them.
Brodie is dead on 100% correct about paper patched bullets clean up your bore and grooves.
Attached Files
I seem to recall that someone did an experiment where they took a good shooting barrel and on purpose messed up the crown. The before and after groups were very close to the same in size but IIRC the after may have had a different poi.
Crown other than cosmetic has little effect on performance was their conclusion. How many folks have shot old military rifles with horrible looking bores and achieved good results? IMHO borescopes are overrated and most of what people are seeing that causes them concern is not, or does not matter as far as accuracy.
Attached Files
If you want to smooth the throat out and clean up the tool marks in the rest of the barrel, all you need to do is make up a couple hundred paper-patched bullets, load them, and shoot them. They will clean and smooth the throat and the rest of the barrel out until it looks like it is hand-lapped and polished. I have used this on several rifles whose barrels looked terrible. If you ever took your kids to an amusement park you may have noticed how smooth the railing are. Those railings were polished by all of the bare hands of the people holding them while waiting to go on the ride. It positively will not harm the barrel either.
As for the crown, I discount the current craze and theory that the crown controls the accuracy of the rifle. Yes, it is the last thing that the bullet has touched, but I had an old gunsmith who built rifles for the US Navy's marksmanship unit and he would crown the barrel with an old hand-cranked drill and a semi-round bur in it. Bill would clamp the rifle or barrel in a vertical position in a vise and do the crown with his hand-cranked drill, and of the two rifles he built for me both shot minute of angle or less with my losds, even cast shot well in them.
B.E.Brickey
Attached Files
I have owned 3 Remington 700's chamered in 223 Remington. The first one I purchased had a terrible nonuiform throat, but the rifle shot decent, about 1" at 100 yards. I emediatly purchased a bore scope to inspect rifle throats before next purchase. My following Remington 700 had more perfect throats and grouped better.
Attached Files
"The target was two feet from the muzzle as I wanted to see how far off it would throw the bullet. It was a good foot!!"
nice story....
"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!
Attached Files
The edge where the bore meets the crown looked undamaged and round, not as though the dent in end of the muzzle pushed any metal in. It shocked the hell out of me when it shot that far off that close. I have another one for that's not to do with the crown. I was pushing a Finn 39 past it's limits for cast. I was testing as I though she was key holing and I wanted to try to recover the bullet in nice fine damp dirt. She keyholes full sideways at six feet! Never had one do that. Back to the 22. My friend who's a gunsmith recrowned it as my lathe was down. When I shot it, it wasn't cured! I had to take it back to him to take more off. The second time did it. I have no idea how it got that bad. No the bore was fine right up to the edge of the crown. I saw zero unusual wrong with the end of the barrel. I don't care of noboyd believes it or not. Guess you'll have to ask the flys on the wall.
Attached Files
Wm Cook
22
MP1886
18
Aaron
17
beagle6
13
linoww
12
Pigslayer
10
Wilderness
7
John Alexander
5
Ed Harris
5
Rich/WIS
5
