I scoped the throat of the Savage 06 I found hidden away. How they managed to cut this throat is a complete mystery to me. I'm going to firelap it to see if it smooths out. The raised portion in the pictures leave what amounts to scratch marks on the bullet but it still shot alright when I tried it.. Weird
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That throat looks like my Winchester mod 94 .30-30. Almost no leade, the rifling just starts. I have firelapped one barrel and will never do it again. I have lead lapped over 100 (most weren’t mine) and I find it a much more controllable process. That crown is going to take a long time with a round head screw. You might consider getting a crowning tool from Pacific Tool and Gage or Brownells. I wouldn’t worry about the reamer marks, I have seen barrels that were much worse that shot very well. I’m not sure borescopes are our friends.
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stop the frustration, throw away the bore scope ????
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Also found this up at the crown so it'll get the round head brass screw and lapping compound treatment.
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I don't know the history of this gun because I don't even know where I got it. I agree it looks like impact marks but since I don't tumble or even clean my brass if someone messed it up it wasn't me. It doesn't have to be perfect since it shot alright but if I can improve it a little with firelapping I'll take it. The reamer marks are typical Savage from the barrels I've seen but they shoot well so that's not a concern. I like having and using a borescope. There's a chance I have a PTG crowning tool. I'll have to check the tool box.
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Several times at the Military Nationals, shooters would say the crown was not good while looking thru a magnifying glass for their poor results. That night they would polish the crown and shoot better the next day. I think that it was nerves and excitement leading to poor shooting, not the crown. But they talked themselves into believing it.
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"The target was two feet from the muzzle as I wanted to see how far off it would throw the bullet. It was a good foot!!"
nice story....
"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!
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I firelapped the barrel today. It's far from perfect but to my eye looks a little better. I shall see. For guys who say bore scopes arent necessay how could you get cool pictures like these without one. This scope is a Teslong that you can get on Amazon for under 60 bucks and hooks up to you phone or computer.
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I have a Savage Axis in '06 that I bought in 2012 I think, it shoots great. I don't have a bore scope. I also have an Axis in 6.5 Creedmoor and it also shoots great, I bought it in late 2019.
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I wouldn't waste a lot of time trying for a perfect crown. In spite of the almost universal belief about the need for a good crown, it is hard to damage a crown enough to cause bigger groups. See Mann's work 120 years ago or the article in Fouling Shot #230 (July/Aug. 3014). Of course truing it up is unlikely to make things worse.
John
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I think that it was nerves and excitement leading to poor shooting, not the crown. But they talked themselves into believing it.
Thanks for the replies. If my lathe was wired up I'd knock out fixing the crown in short order but since my move its been sadly neglected. I'm a firm believer in confidence being at least 50% of results. The ding in the crown might have absolutely no effect on how the gun shoots but I'll know it's there. Maybe if this thing doesn't work out I'll just look around for a replacement barrel and kill two birds with one stone. As long as it's a factory replacement that's allowed in HNT class right.
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Want to know how far it threw the bullet off? The target was two feet from the muzzle as I wanted to see how far off it would throw the bullet. It was a good foot!! Put the barrel in the lathe and recrowned it and the rest was history.
Cmon man. I was born on a day but it wasn't yesterday! The barrel threw a bullet 1 foot out when the target was 2 feet from the muzzle and recrowning cured it? I dont think so. Doesn't that equate to 150 feet out at 100 yards? Maybe the front sight was mounted on the side of the barrel and you didnt notice or you were working on a Krummlauf.
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I have owned 3 Remington 700's chamered in 223 Remington. The first one I purchased had a terrible nonuiform throat, but the rifle shot decent, about 1" at 100 yards. I emediatly purchased a bore scope to inspect rifle throats before next purchase. My following Remington 700 had more perfect throats and grouped better.
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I seem to recall that someone did an experiment where they took a good shooting barrel and on purpose messed up the crown. The before and after groups were very close to the same in size but IIRC the after may have had a different poi.
Crown other than cosmetic has little effect on performance was their conclusion. How many folks have shot old military rifles with horrible looking bores and achieved good results? IMHO borescopes are overrated and most of what people are seeing that causes them concern is not, or does not matter as far as accuracy.
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Never look. Just go shoot that thang! It will smooth itself out.
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With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.
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Never look. Just go shoot that thang! It will smooth itself
Shooting the thang is in the forcast but I'd have to shoot it everyday for a century for that throat to smooth itself up.
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From the letter code it was made between 1982 and 1989.That means your letter code is "E", if interested, with the first 3 digits of SN I can get you to the exact year. Looking forward to seeing your results after fireforming!
Thanks for the offer but the question of when it was made came from someone else. I couldn't care less since it's what I have and don't know why knowing when it was made would make a difference anyway. But once again thanks for the offer of looking up the info. What surprises me is the comments on the reamer marks in the barrel, which dont bother me at all, while overlooking the fact that the lands in the throat look like they were cut with a backhoe.
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so much for the legendary Savage barrel quality !
hope your lapping helps it out.
"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!
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Lots of reamer marks in that barrel Pat. You have any idea what year that rifle is? You have shot this rifle already haven't you?
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No idea when the gun was built. The "chatter" marks don't bother me because all the Savages I've ever looked at had them.. It's the raised metal on the throat lands. And I have shot it once and it shot alright but that throat can't be helping anything.
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