Your Favorite Reduced Loads for .45-70

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LApm9 posted this 03 October 2022

What are your favorite reduced loads for the .45-70 using Bullseye, Unique, IMR 3031 or H335?  I have 150 gr collar buttons and 300 gr coated bullets.

I have looked over the Lyman manual and the Lever Guns Performance Studies table, but would like the benefit of your collective experience.

I have a modern High Wall.

Bob .45-70 & .30-30

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oscarflytyer posted this 03 October 2022

Don't know if it qualifies as a reduced load, but def a mild load.  I use the Lee 405 HB bullet and 38.5 gr of IMR-3031.  Plenty accurate for deer, and has performed very well for that as long as you put it in the shoulder (don't lose any meat, as our Southern white tails are so small anyway).  And plenty light for paper punching.

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99 Strajght posted this 03 October 2022

I have always used  292 gr. cast with 38 gr. of 3031 for a good deer load.

 

Glenn

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foesgth posted this 03 October 2022

My favorite for out to 100 yards.  I use 5gr. of Bullseye with an NOE collar button.  I size them .460 with SPG lube for my Trapdoor.  I put 1/4 sheet of single ply TP on top of the powder.  I just poke it in with the eraser end of a pencil.  

I also load the .457" round balls I cast for my Ruger Old Army.  I lube them with Alox and seat them all the way down on top of the powder.  I use a dowel in my drill press for this.  It has a mark to show when the ball is seated on the powder. 

I haven't used the round ball load as much now that I have a collar button mold.  You need to be careful.  These look like empty cases when you first see them.  They are also only good to about 25 yards with the big bore on my Trapdoor.

When I am practicing getting in and out of position with my High Wall I like to use 14gr. of Trail Boss over a 405gr. with HiTek coating.  That load lets me shoot out a bit farther.  

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LApm9 posted this 03 October 2022

Do you think the TP is needed?

 

Bob .45-70 & .30-30

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Bud Hyett posted this 03 October 2022

10.5 grains of Unique with the bullet seated deep enough to allow a slight crimp into the leading edge of the body of the bullet.

I had five hundred bullets from the old Lyman mold that I initially totally filled with NRA ALOX lube. These were so smoky that I only shot them outdoors. I then gave a light pump on the lubrisizer that was successful. 

Farm boy from Illinois, living in the magical Pacific Northwest

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nosee posted this 03 October 2022

12 gr. Trailboss

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 03 October 2022

.. i can shoot out of my shop at about 40 yards ... i have a coke can killer load of the Lee old army 240 gr mold and 13 gr. of Unique. ....   mystery alloy, no wads, no GC, soft lube ... Very few cans survive a rib shot ...   but my shoulder is thankful for these popgun loads in my light R3 Ruger single shot ...

ken

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foesgth posted this 03 October 2022

Do you think the TP is needed?

 I don't know really.  I got the load from an "old guy" at the range.  I'm an old guy now and I still haven't finished the first roll of TP.  I guess when it is done I will find out... if I live long enough.  I know that at 50 yards 5 of them will make a clover leaf from my 1873 Trapdoor.  

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longhunter posted this 04 October 2022

LOL

Um..... The squares are small on the new rolls.   Do you think it will change POI?

Jon

Jon Welda CW5 USA Ret.

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LApm9 posted this 04 October 2022

Do you think the TP is needed?

 I don't know really.  I got the load from an "old guy" at the range.  I'm an old guy now and I still haven't finished the first roll of TP.  I guess when it is done I will find out... if I live long enough.  I know that at 50 yards 5 of them will make a clover leaf from my 1873 Trapdoor.  

Obviously, you have used this load a lot.

Have you experienced any difficult case extraction or signs of chamber ringing?

I hope I am not being insulting, but I am a newbie and need to ask these things.  

I am probably going to make up some of these later today.

Bob .45-70 & .30-30

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Larry Gibson posted this 04 October 2022

My favorite load for my TDs is a Rapine 460250 (270 gr) loaded over 8 gr of Bullseye (no filler of wad).  It runs 1030 fps out of my Carbine TD, 1050 out of my OM TD and 1070 fps out of my rifle TD.  Accuracy is excellent out to 500 yards with negligeable recoil.

LMG

Concealment is not cover.........

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RicinYakima posted this 04 October 2022

I’m happy with 12 grains of Unique with the old 300 grain 45/90 bullet. Light recoil in the Handi-Rifle and accurate.

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Boschloper posted this 06 October 2022

My favorite is 24 grains of 2400 and any 400 to 500 grain bullet.

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LApm9 posted this 06 October 2022

Thank you very much for all the load info!  I appreciate being able to take advantage of all your experience.

Bob .45-70 & .30-30

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foesgth posted this 07 October 2022

Do you think the TP is needed?

 I don't know really.  I got the load from an "old guy" at the range.  I'm an old guy now and I still haven't finished the first roll of TP.  I guess when it is done I will find out... if I live long enough.  I know that at 50 yards 5 of them will make a clover leaf from my 1873 Trapdoor.  

Obviously, you have used this load a lot.

Have you experienced any difficult case extraction or signs of chamber ringing?

I hope I am not being insulting, but I am a newbie and need to ask these things.  

I am probably going to make up some of these later today.

 

Sorry about the slow reply.  I change internet providers and things were a bit strange for a while.  

I have had no problems with this load.  The cases extract easily and I probably wouldn't even need to resize them.  I have been using the same 50 Starline cases for years.  I do anneal them every once and while.

You are right about me shooting this load often.  Even though I have made it to my 70's part of my brain stopped at 10 years old.  I still get a kick out of shooting tin cans, dollar store shaving cream, steel swingers etc.  At my gun club we have a bunch of pistol bays that go out to about 60 yards.  The 10 year old me can be found there shooting at all kinds of fun targets.  Do you have any idea how far a golf ball will go when hit with 45-70?  I do!

I need to go load a bunch of BP 44-40 for my Lightning now.  A buddy of mine says he can beat me on a dueling tree with his lever gun.  You can't stay young forever but I am working on an entire life of immature.

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Qc Pistolero posted this 07 October 2022

330 gr lubed with LLA(no need to size;they drop at around .4585 with 25:1mix)topping 9gr Titegroup.Titegroup is not position sensitive and from my Pedersoli Sharps recoil is like a sweet caress from a young maiden.

They will stay within 2 1/2 to 3 inches at 100 with metallic sights.

Same load with 425 gr Accurate 460-414L will not kick much more and is accurate out to 200 yds.You can increase to 9.5gr safely if need be.

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LApm9 posted this 24 October 2022

I had a puzzling experience with my .45-70 reduced loads today and would appreciate any analysis of the situation that you may be able to offer.

The bullet vendor offered a table of loads supposedly supplied by Lyman.  The bullet is said to be Lyman #457130 (150 gr.).  I selected one of the milder loads, with the slowest burning powder in my possession, one with a bulkier powder charge (21 gr of IMR 4227).  I seated the rather short bullet just so the lube groove was covered and gave it a light crimp with a Lee Factory crimp die.

This load has a volume of about 1.6 cc, and the case has a published useful volume of 4.06cc.

I used a Ginex Large Rifle primer.  The bottle of powder was new, was not previously opened and was ordered this month.

I shot about 100 other loads today that used primers from that same tray and lot with no problems.

The first round fired with a report similar to that of a .22 LR, including the sonic crack.  The bullet hit the target at the point of aim.

The second did the same.  On a whim, I took a look inside the barrel, from the breech to see if there was any unburned powder.  There appeared to be powder on the barrel surface from the chamber forward for about ¾ of the barrel length but all in the 3:00 to 6:00 quadrant.

The third round appeared to be a dud from the sound (only heard the hammer fall), but case ejected without the bullet or powder.  The bullet did not impact the target.  The barrel was inspected and was clear.

Round No. 4 appeared to be a dud from the sound (only heard the hammer fall), but case ejected without the bullet or powder.  This time the barrel was blocked.  Using the cleaning rod, the bullet was found to be 6” from the muzzle.  The bullet was driven out with a single palm strike on the SS cleaning rod

I stopped shooting this load at this point.

I fired about 30 other .45-70 loads without incident.  They were standard power loads.

It appears that either IMR 4227 is a bad powder for .45-70 reduced loads, or I got a bad bottle of powder.

Comments?

Bob .45-70 & .30-30

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Qc Pistolero posted this 24 October 2022

I don't think that 4227 is well suited for such a light bullet(not enough resistance for complete and efficient combustion).I'd rather go with a quick burner like Titegroup or Trail Boss.The usual ''watch out for double charging''comment applies here since the case is so large.

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LApm9 posted this 25 October 2022

QC, I think I have support for your statement.  The below photo was posted by a fellow that said he got it from Lyman.  Note the low pressure listed for the IMR 4227 load!

 

150 Gr. Loads

Bob .45-70 & .30-30

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Glaciers posted this 28 October 2022

I was interested in a collar button bullet for fun plinker loads, but I went with a slightly heavier bullet from Arsenal.  Just couldn’t warm up to the short length to diameter ratio.  

Jared at Arsenal has molds from 22 caliber to over 510 caliber.  I chose a 45 cal pistol bullet of 235 grains, diameter of .453. Jared offers to make a mold to the diameter of your choice.  I requested.459.  Hoping to test this bullet out in my Marlin and my 458x2.

like Bud I will probably crimp over the front band or will play with neck tension.

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