First we lost 4759. I just found out today 4227 is discontinued. I use this more than any other powder. When is the bad news going to end? Thinking of going to H110 / 296. Any suggestions
Thanks
First we lost 4759. I just found out today 4227 is discontinued. I use this more than any other powder. When is the bad news going to end? Thinking of going to H110 / 296. Any suggestions
Thanks
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In rifles such as the .32-20 and .44-40 I have gotten fine results with 4198. In revolvers I have found Olin AutoComp is more forgiving in less than maximum loads than 296 or H110.
73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia
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WTH!!! That is my stand by for all things cast!!! Just great. First you can’t get it. Then/now it is crazy priced, now discontinued!!! Come on.
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And with Alliant #2400 now being unobtanium we have few options.
73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia
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The Golden Years are drawing to a close. Powder choices, mold choices, and bullet choices (jacketed) are shrinking. Prices for available merchandise are skyrocketing. Gun imports are shrinking and gun prices, both domestic mfg and Italian mfg have shot through the roof. The Italian guns are now at the upper spectrum of pricing for the “blue collar” market. Ruger has priced themselves off the “blue collar” market. Seriously? A Marlin for $2,000.00? RL7 is a good 45-70 powder. Get some while you can right?
With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.
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M1fuzz. I was checking the Hodgdon load data this afternoon. They did not list IMR 4227 and H4227 was listed as discontinued. I did not check any load data beside 30/06. Let us hope it is a typo. But I checked Midway, Powder Valley and Graff. All were out of 8 lb jugs some still listed 1 lb cans. I am set for now, probably have around 12 pounds, glad I ordered a jug of 4227 and also 5744 about 3 years ago. I have not fired a round in over 3&1/2 years. My wife of 53 years is terminal and I have been taking care of her. Now have hospice coming in twice a week to bath her and the nurse once a week now to check on her. Will not be firing anything till after she passes and I get everything straightened out. Also I will need to get my mind straightened out I don't want an to have an "accident".
Ed Harris. Thank you very much Sir. No need to worry about me running hot on the loads. On all my .30s & 8mm excepting the M1 Grand and the carbine I start a new gun out at 15 grains of 4227 and the U311291 and work up a grain or 2 at a time till the groups start to open. The hottest one is my 7.62 NATO in a 40X, it is at 20 - 21 grains 4227 and the U311291. I don’t like to brag about the accuracy it gives because I will jinx myself for sure. But I have had flies and bees that have landed on the target. They didn’t stay there too long. It doesn’t take much powder to punch paper at 100 yards. I don’t do matches, there aren’t any down here and I don’t travel, I just shoot against myself seeing if I can still do it. I have a few pounds of 4198 but the groups aren’t as tight, sorry. I just use 4227 and 5744 aka Buffalo Rifle aka D060. My fallback powders are 2400 and H110 but neither one shoot quite as closely as 4227. I am hoping there are new powders on the market that others have had good luck with. I do crazy things to tighten the groups like using a .32 ACP as a dipper to put 3F black in place of my usual over powder wad etc. Still use a Dacron wad, it works the best, for me.
I am getting a collection of half full cans of discontinued powers. Let’s see DuPont bulk, 700 with no x, DuPont black, Curtis & Harvey black, H375, a few other I can’t think of right now. I had 3 or 4 pounds of DuPont IMR 17 & ½ that I spread over the yard because it was turning, it was only 80 or 90 years young.
Sorry if I babble on but I have no one to talk to except my son who calls once a day to see if I need anything.
Jim
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Here we go again I used to load with a lot of IMR powders for many years 4756, PB, 7625, 800X, 700X. 4759 and 4227 .First 4756 , PB , 4759 and 7625 were gone then 800X then 700X became very hard to find and then unavailable. I was able to buy 4.5 lbs of DuPont powder at our last swap meet for $50.00 took a chance on it and it worked out I got 4756, 4227 and 3 cans of 4759 and a can of Western 231. But now all I have left from that is one can of 4759 and the can of 4227 the Western 231 is gone. I have made the switch to all Ram Shot powders for handgun with the exception of one powder W244 so far they are working out. I sold my Magnum Research BFR revolver recently in 45/70 so I am using up the 4759 in 44 magnum. I only use 4227 in 454 Casull just because I like the way it works.
Fred H.
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@Ed Harris 4198 has been unobtainable for months. Hoping it comes back to the market.
Have used 4227 for some cartridges. I think i have a couple pounds in reserve. Might have to see if my local membership store has more, but IIRC I bought the last of what they had a few months ago at a fairly low price. I can probably live without 4227 once I am out. It has never been my first choice. Never given me the best groups in rifles that I shoot in matches. However there is more to life than match shooting.
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4227 was all I could get around here a couple of years ago so I bought several pounds of it. I was just getting it worked out in my rifle loads! Now I'll have to learn something else. Like many others I have an almost empty can of 4759 on my powder shelf. I guess I'll start adding to my collection of discontinued powders when there's not enough of the 4227 left to do anything useful with.
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As Ed mentions, Autocomp is surprisingly useful. I just used some in 38 spl loads.
With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.
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Vihtavuori N110 is an excellent cast bullet powder, that works for similar applications. Vihtavuori makes all their powders themselves, I can't imagine N110 disappearing any time soon.
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Accurate 5744 should be in the 4227 ballpark.
Edit: But I also agree with the suggestion for Vihtavuori N110 as seen above.
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I use 4227 exclusively in my multiple .32-40's for ASSRA shooting. At 14gr. per shot when breech seating, a pound lasts a good while but jeepers if I want to stick with that load the rest of my days I guess I'll have to pay these usurious prices and stock up on even more than what I have. And no, AA9 and 5744 haven't worked as well for me. 4759 is very good, and I have a stupid amount of it, but it doesn't meter well in my Harrell's for single loading at the shooting bench.
It would seem that Hodgdon doesn't give a hoot about non-mainstream shooters anymore. My theory is it's an unintended consequence of allowing them to be a near monopoly of powder production.
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With Alliant 2400 in short supply, I contacted Vitavhorti about using N-110 in its place. I'd seen several people using N-110 in the .32-20 CPA and wondered if N-110 would work. Vitavhorti replied with suggested loads for N-340 stating this was a better option.
They also stated they are producing powders for all customers including the reloaders. With this pronouncement and both the incerasing prices and incresing scarcity of our traditional powders, I'll be looking at Vitavhorti powders as my decreasing supply exhausts.
Farm boy from Illinois, living in the magical Pacific Northwest
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i read recently that hodgdon has deleted tite group and renamed it high gun. supposed to be the same powder.
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First we lost 4759. I just found out today 4227 is discontinued. I use this more than any other powder. When is the bad news going to end? Thinking of going to H110 / 296. Any suggestions
Thanks
Sooo where did you hear this? At a gun dealer? I far as i have seen it is not gone but not at the top of the list for production.
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tomme boy, i had been looking for a versatile 12ga powder and on a web forum their discussion was about hodgdons tite group name change to high gun. apparently several of the sites forum members individually came across info of the name change from contacting hodgdon. the key info was that tite group and high gun are the same powder. it may open up more uses for the powder, besides 12ga or rifle/pistol use. i havent contacted hodgdon myself, yet. be well
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I checked MidSouth and Midway and there seem to be 1 pounders of IMR4227 but nothing bigger. I also saw improved availability on Alliant extruded powders, including Reloder 7. I haven't played with it but I've seen it recommended for some cast loads. It certainly isn't cheap though. Also saw listings for IMR 4895 and 3031 also in 1 pounders, again, NOT cheap.
Prices on primers seem to be coming down slowly...
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First we lost 4759. I just found out today 4227 is discontinued. I use this more than any other powder. When is the bad news going to end? Thinking of going to H110 / 296. Any suggestions
Thanks
Sooo where did you hear this? At a gun dealer? I far as i have seen it is not gone but not at the top of the list for production.
Curiouser and curiouser. It's shown as "discontinued" in the powder availability column behind every application for 4227 on Hodgdon's own on-line loading data center.
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FYI 7.5 grains of AutoComp cycles reliably in the .30 M1 carbine with 110 grain JSP and in 7.62x25 with 87- 93 grain FMJ or the Hornady .309" 90-grain XTP
73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia
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