Seating Further Out for Better Groups from .30-30

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Wilderness posted this 17 August 2025

My Savage 99 .30-30 feeds flawlessly with ammo loaded to 2.500” COL. This has the bullets .060” off the rifling, and the bullet bases below the case neck. Groups with 33 gns 748 and 32 gns LeveRevolution (LVR) at around 2200 fps have averaged about 2.7” at 100 meters. A couple of heavier 34 gn LVR 2300 fps loads averaged 3.5”. Bullets are 175 gn #U321297HP sized down to .312”. Weight is with gas check. Shooting is with Leupold VX1 scope on 7X.

This is ammo for hunting, so full power is the requirement, with accuracy being a welcome bonus when I get it.

Recently, in search of better accuracy, I have been loading to COL 2.530” – but still .030” off the rifling. Feed is not as smooth, but it is manageable. Accuracy appears better, but velocity has dropped off by about 30 fps. To correct, I have increased my standard 32 gn LVR load to 33 gns, and expect a little over 2200 fps from it.

I am surmising that putting the bullets closer to the rifling is a good thing of itself, but I also realise that there may be some benefit at the base of the bullet. At COL 2.500” the bullet, including some of the shank above the gas check, protrudes into the powder space. At COL 2.530” the protrusion appears to be just the gas check. I had previously thought that I was getting away with having some of the bullet below the case neck.

I am encouraged by the last two groups I have shot with 2.530” COL, one each with 32 and 34 gns LVR. Cartridges were loaded months and weeks before use, allowing the usual bullet to neck bonding to set up. Velocities were 2153 and 2268 fps respectively, SD 20 in both cases. Five shot 100 meter groups were 1.90” and 1.86”. Rifle in both instances was used in the week preceding, left fouled, and the group preceded by a warming shot. Both warmers went more or less to group. The first group was doubling as a zero check after a fall, hence the POI.

Aiming squares are 40 mm (1 9/16").

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Aaron posted this 17 August 2025

My 300 Win Mag likes the 190gr bullet .010” off the rifling.

With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.

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Wilderness posted this 17 August 2025

That's interesting Aaron.

I've always assumed that on to or into the rifling would be best. The only reason I'm not doing that here is feed issues.

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gnoahhh posted this 18 August 2025

I have a Saeco custom order mold from 40+ years ago, .30 190gr. bore rider with a wide meplat (came from Syd Musselman, charter member CBA), which is my all time favorite mold for .30-30 and .303 Savage. In Savage lever guns I seat it with the bullet base squarely at the bottom of the neck (I hate protrusion into the powder space) which allows slick feeding from the magazine and shows rifling engraving on the nose. Cast at bhn 11-12 and sized .310, and driven with 28.0gr. 3031, accuracy is beautiful (1.5MOA with tang sights) and velocity is right on the bean at 1900fps out of the 20" barrels, and 2000fps out of my 24" Winchester 54 .30-30 (in which it delivers sub-MOA with Unertl scope installed). I want to be buried with this mold!

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 Shucks, here I go again. Can't remember from one time to the next how to post an image from Imgur on this site. Convolutedly frustrating.

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