Other rifles noise affecting my sight picture

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Shuz posted this 4 weeks ago

Last Friday I noticed that when another rifle was fired as I was concentrating on my own sighting, my sighting dot and reticules seemed to jump. Is this normal? If not how do I correct this? My equipment consists of a heavy 3 point front rest with a leather saddle for the forearm, and an ear type rear rest leather sandbag.

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Mike H posted this 4 weeks ago

I think it is the noise of the other firers that makes you move,if you have a particularly loud blast nearby that is getting at your concentration you may need to time your shots to shoot before or after the other shooter.It is easy to say but a lot harder to do,good hearing protection and concentrate on your task to the point of blotting out everything around you while you are shooting.

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RicinYakima posted this 4 weeks ago

It is a type of flinch. Mike has a good answer, better hearing protection. I use plugs and muffs at a match. Went thru half a dozen muffs to find one that fix my head shooting off a bench.

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Shuz posted this 4 weeks ago

Mike, It is impossible to time my shots since there may be 8 to 10 other folks shooting the CBA match during the 10 or 15 minute time period. I will try doubling up on my hearing protection like I used to. Duane M sent me a PM and I don't have the expertise on this site to answer him. Will someone please explain how to use the PM feature? I went to the FAQ'S and it indicated to go to his profile etc, but I don't know how to do that!

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Mike H posted this 4 weeks ago

Shuz,

            I may have not explained myself well enough,timing the shot is a last desperate effort when there could be a single loud shooter alongside and you have lost concentration.Ric has the answer,remember the other shooters have the same conditions as well.

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Duane Mellenbruch posted this 4 weeks ago

Shuz, in upper right corner of page, click on my tools.  then on next page click on private message.  On following page click on name of individual sending message.  After reading if you care to reply, type in msg in the box and click "Send".

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Sevenfan posted this 4 weeks ago

Click on "My Tools" at upper right of header bar, then click "Private Messages" and again on Duane's PM. It will open a window with his message and a text box for you to type your reply, when finished click the green SEND box. wink

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Shuz posted this 4 weeks ago

I can't find "header bar"!!!

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Shuz posted this 4 weeks ago

Finally found the header bar and answered the Pm! Thanks for the patience with this computer challenged old shooter

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Larry Gibson posted this 4 weeks ago

I wear foam ear plugs (highest db reduction ones) and ear muffs when shooting to protect what hearing I have left.  When shooting at the local range from the bench it isn't necessarily the noise that makes me flinch.  It is the muzzle blast concussion from rifles with short barrels and those with muzzle brakes or, sometimes, flash suppressors that are also muzzle brakes.  This is especially the case with large capacity magnum cartridges.  If I'm on the other end of the firing line (range has 12 benches) it doesn't bother me much.  However if they are next to me ar a bench or two away I time my shots between theirs so i don't flinch one off.  

LMG

Concealment is not cover.........

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MP1886 posted this 4 weeks ago

You got that right Larry.  Hazard of being shooters is hearing lost unfortunately.  Most at our age didn't have or know of hearing protection when we were young.  Being in combat in the military didn't help any either.  You're right about those dang muzzle breaks too Larry.  Also when I shoot high velocity pistol cartridges such as 7.62x25 Tokarev, 30 Luger, and 30 Carbine to name just a few I wear plugs and muffs too.  I also wear muffs when using my lawn tractor.  I'm tired of saying "huh?" how about you Larry?

BTW did you ever get back to fooling with powder coat? You never asked anymore question in our pm's and there was much more to tell you.  I have a 6.5 Creedmoor AR10 shooting pc pretty decent.

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Wm Cook posted this 4 weeks ago

Shuz, what kind of hold are you using on your rig?

One end of the spectrum is free recoil where the only thing touching the rifle is your trigger finger and that is barely brushing the trigger. This is common on light trigger pull rigs not a military piece.

The other end of that spectrum would be a “death grip” with a solid cheek weld, forearm gripped and the stock butt pulled back into your shoulder.

Any idea what the trigger pull is on your rifle? Bill C.

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Larry Gibson posted this 4 weeks ago

MP1886

No, I haven't tested or simply shot any PC'd bullets since our last PMs.  Have some 38 WC that are PC'd ready to test over 3.5 gr Bullseye.  Have some others of 30 cal, just too many other things going on and haven't got around to testing yet.

LMG

Concealment is not cover.........

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shuz44 posted this 4 weeks ago

Bill, I use a real tight hold on the pistol grip of my mdl 16 Savage. i position my left hand next to the owl ear sand bag and use it to adjust for minor elevation and windage. The trigger is the Savage Accu-trigger and it is set at about 4 lbs. I had it set lower, but with my peripheral neuropathy now affecting my fingers, I found that the trigger safety would engage most of the time and of course the rifle would not fire. I have a very hard time not putting side pressure on the trigger.

As mentioned previously, I will try double plugging and see if that helps.

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Millelacs posted this 4 weeks ago

.     .MP1886

.     I'm tired of saying "huh?"

 

Even more than my being tired of saying "huh", is my wife being tired of me saying "huh", after almost 40 years.

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Wm Cook posted this 4 weeks ago

Shuz, have you ever tried less of a right hand grip by using light shoulder pressure and propping up your trigger finger hand on multiple sand bags so that the stress on your hand is reduced?

If the rifle rides the bags real good it might give your right hand a better chance managing the trigger pull. Peripheral neuropathy is a tough condition and my hats off to you for still outshooting folks.

Greg King shot a pending 200 yard world record in jacketed br about a month or two ago. Don’t remember exactly how small but I believe it was in the low teens (if I remember right). He’s a great guy and is a world of fun to shoot next to at a match.

The equipment he used is no where near apples to apples with your Savage but when he’s wired up and working a group that trigger finger is doing some incredible exercise movement. At times I’ve seen him use the thumb on the trigger hand on the back of the trigger guard to help steady his hand. Don’t sweat it, you’ll figure this out. Bill Cook.

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MP1886 posted this 4 weeks ago

MP1886

No, I haven't tested or simply shot any PC'd bullets since our last PMs.  Have some 38 WC that are PC'd ready to test over 3.5 gr Bullseye.  Have some others of 30 cal, just too many other things going on and haven't got around to testing yet.

LMG'

 

Larry almost a waste pc'ing those 38 wadcutters because they are such low velocity it's guaranteed pc will work.....unless you just don't like lubing sizing them.  The highvelocity rifle rounds is where the show is at. Like I said you quit asking questions in pm's and there is so much more I could tell you. 

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Wm Cook posted this 3 weeks ago

Would someone please start a thread about Powder Coating for MP so we can focus on the opening post.

I think it’s rather impolite to hijack a thread started by someone who was asking for help.

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Eutectic posted this 3 weeks ago

You are correct most of the problem at CBA matches is a flinch problem.

However at our outdoor ranges it is REAL. I have had the muzzle blast from the next shooter turning the pages in my chronograph log. The blast made the chrono register a false shot. A 300 Win Mag with a recoil suppressor is a fearsome beast if you are to one side! 

 

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shuz44 posted this 3 weeks ago

Bill, Thanks for the tip on putting bags under my right hand to help support that! I will try that!

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Wm Cook posted this 3 weeks ago

The slam of a big bore going off next to you is like a shock wave. Heck it is a shock wave. CBA doesn’t allow muzzle brakes and such but if you’re at the range practicing it’s disconcerting to have a boomer next to you.

Our Stl BR club has one bench designated for 50 cal’s and that’s bench 60 on our 60 bench range. But even a 30 cal muzzle brake rocks me if it’s close by.

Side note: I once shot a match without ear protection. At one time or the other we’ve all forgotten our hearing protection inside the club house as we hustle to get the bore clean & get reloading accomplished between matches. Hearing all the fussing & cussing during the match was entertaining but not recommended.

Must be my DNA’s I got from my grandfather. I was in a high noise industry back when hearing protection was “suggested”. And I was shooting firearms for over 65 years. Incredible as it may seem my hearing is still perfect.

Back on track with flinching. Lots of times I’ve added 3 or four of the smaller wrist or elbow bags to support my trigger finger arm. Maybe two under my hand, one under my forearm and one under my elbow.

I have a lot of hand issues and it helps take the strain off old body parts. Good luck to you. Bill C

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