Other rifles noise affecting my sight picture

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Shuz posted this 06 June 2022

Last Friday I noticed that when another rifle was fired as I was concentrating on my own sighting, my sighting dot and reticules seemed to jump. Is this normal? If not how do I correct this? My equipment consists of a heavy 3 point front rest with a leather saddle for the forearm, and an ear type rear rest leather sandbag.

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Mike H posted this 06 June 2022

I think it is the noise of the other firers that makes you move,if you have a particularly loud blast nearby that is getting at your concentration you may need to time your shots to shoot before or after the other shooter.It is easy to say but a lot harder to do,good hearing protection and concentrate on your task to the point of blotting out everything around you while you are shooting.

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RicinYakima posted this 07 June 2022

It is a type of flinch. Mike has a good answer, better hearing protection. I use plugs and muffs at a match. Went thru half a dozen muffs to find one that fix my head shooting off a bench.

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Shuz posted this 07 June 2022

Mike, It is impossible to time my shots since there may be 8 to 10 other folks shooting the CBA match during the 10 or 15 minute time period. I will try doubling up on my hearing protection like I used to. Duane M sent me a PM and I don't have the expertise on this site to answer him. Will someone please explain how to use the PM feature? I went to the FAQ'S and it indicated to go to his profile etc, but I don't know how to do that!

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Mike H posted this 07 June 2022

Shuz,

            I may have not explained myself well enough,timing the shot is a last desperate effort when there could be a single loud shooter alongside and you have lost concentration.Ric has the answer,remember the other shooters have the same conditions as well.

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Duane Mellenbruch posted this 07 June 2022

Shuz, in upper right corner of page, click on my tools.  then on next page click on private message.  On following page click on name of individual sending message.  After reading if you care to reply, type in msg in the box and click "Send".

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Sevenfan posted this 07 June 2022

Click on "My Tools" at upper right of header bar, then click "Private Messages" and again on Duane's PM. It will open a window with his message and a text box for you to type your reply, when finished click the green SEND box. wink

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Shuz posted this 07 June 2022

I can't find "header bar"!!!

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Shuz posted this 07 June 2022

Finally found the header bar and answered the Pm! Thanks for the patience with this computer challenged old shooter

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Larry Gibson posted this 08 June 2022

I wear foam ear plugs (highest db reduction ones) and ear muffs when shooting to protect what hearing I have left.  When shooting at the local range from the bench it isn't necessarily the noise that makes me flinch.  It is the muzzle blast concussion from rifles with short barrels and those with muzzle brakes or, sometimes, flash suppressors that are also muzzle brakes.  This is especially the case with large capacity magnum cartridges.  If I'm on the other end of the firing line (range has 12 benches) it doesn't bother me much.  However if they are next to me ar a bench or two away I time my shots between theirs so i don't flinch one off.  

LMG

Concealment is not cover.........

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MP1886 posted this 08 June 2022

You got that right Larry.  Hazard of being shooters is hearing lost unfortunately.  Most at our age didn't have or know of hearing protection when we were young.  Being in combat in the military didn't help any either.  You're right about those dang muzzle breaks too Larry.  Also when I shoot high velocity pistol cartridges such as 7.62x25 Tokarev, 30 Luger, and 30 Carbine to name just a few I wear plugs and muffs too.  I also wear muffs when using my lawn tractor.  I'm tired of saying "huh?" how about you Larry?

BTW did you ever get back to fooling with powder coat? You never asked anymore question in our pm's and there was much more to tell you.  I have a 6.5 Creedmoor AR10 shooting pc pretty decent.

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Wm Cook posted this 08 June 2022

Shuz, what kind of hold are you using on your rig?

One end of the spectrum is free recoil where the only thing touching the rifle is your trigger finger and that is barely brushing the trigger. This is common on light trigger pull rigs not a military piece.

The other end of that spectrum would be a “death grip” with a solid cheek weld, forearm gripped and the stock butt pulled back into your shoulder.

Any idea what the trigger pull is on your rifle? Bill C.

A “Measured Response” is as effective as tongue lashing a stuck door.

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Larry Gibson posted this 09 June 2022

MP1886

No, I haven't tested or simply shot any PC'd bullets since our last PMs.  Have some 38 WC that are PC'd ready to test over 3.5 gr Bullseye.  Have some others of 30 cal, just too many other things going on and haven't got around to testing yet.

LMG

Concealment is not cover.........

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shuz44 posted this 09 June 2022

Bill, I use a real tight hold on the pistol grip of my mdl 16 Savage. i position my left hand next to the owl ear sand bag and use it to adjust for minor elevation and windage. The trigger is the Savage Accu-trigger and it is set at about 4 lbs. I had it set lower, but with my peripheral neuropathy now affecting my fingers, I found that the trigger safety would engage most of the time and of course the rifle would not fire. I have a very hard time not putting side pressure on the trigger.

As mentioned previously, I will try double plugging and see if that helps.

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Millelacs posted this 10 June 2022

.     .MP1886

.     I'm tired of saying "huh?"

 

Even more than my being tired of saying "huh", is my wife being tired of me saying "huh", after almost 40 years.

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Wm Cook posted this 10 June 2022

Shuz, have you ever tried less of a right hand grip by using light shoulder pressure and propping up your trigger finger hand on multiple sand bags so that the stress on your hand is reduced?

If the rifle rides the bags real good it might give your right hand a better chance managing the trigger pull. Peripheral neuropathy is a tough condition and my hats off to you for still outshooting folks.

Greg King shot a pending 200 yard world record in jacketed br about a month or two ago. Don’t remember exactly how small but I believe it was in the low teens (if I remember right). He’s a great guy and is a world of fun to shoot next to at a match.

The equipment he used is no where near apples to apples with your Savage but when he’s wired up and working a group that trigger finger is doing some incredible exercise movement. At times I’ve seen him use the thumb on the trigger hand on the back of the trigger guard to help steady his hand. Don’t sweat it, you’ll figure this out. Bill Cook.

A “Measured Response” is as effective as tongue lashing a stuck door.

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MP1886 posted this 10 June 2022

MP1886

No, I haven't tested or simply shot any PC'd bullets since our last PMs.  Have some 38 WC that are PC'd ready to test over 3.5 gr Bullseye.  Have some others of 30 cal, just too many other things going on and haven't got around to testing yet.

LMG'

 

Larry almost a waste pc'ing those 38 wadcutters because they are such low velocity it's guaranteed pc will work.....unless you just don't like lubing sizing them.  The highvelocity rifle rounds is where the show is at. Like I said you quit asking questions in pm's and there is so much more I could tell you. 

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Wm Cook posted this 10 June 2022

Would someone please start a thread about Powder Coating for MP so we can focus on the opening post.

I think it’s rather impolite to hijack a thread started by someone who was asking for help.

A “Measured Response” is as effective as tongue lashing a stuck door.

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Eutectic posted this 10 June 2022

You are correct most of the problem at CBA matches is a flinch problem.

However at our outdoor ranges it is REAL. I have had the muzzle blast from the next shooter turning the pages in my chronograph log. The blast made the chrono register a false shot. A 300 Win Mag with a recoil suppressor is a fearsome beast if you are to one side! 

 

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shuz44 posted this 10 June 2022

Bill, Thanks for the tip on putting bags under my right hand to help support that! I will try that!

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Wm Cook posted this 10 June 2022

The slam of a big bore going off next to you is like a shock wave. Heck it is a shock wave. CBA doesn’t allow muzzle brakes and such but if you’re at the range practicing it’s disconcerting to have a boomer next to you.

Our Stl BR club has one bench designated for 50 cal’s and that’s bench 60 on our 60 bench range. But even a 30 cal muzzle brake rocks me if it’s close by.

Side note: I once shot a match without ear protection. At one time or the other we’ve all forgotten our hearing protection inside the club house as we hustle to get the bore clean & get reloading accomplished between matches. Hearing all the fussing & cussing during the match was entertaining but not recommended.

Must be my DNA’s I got from my grandfather. I was in a high noise industry back when hearing protection was “suggested”. And I was shooting firearms for over 65 years. Incredible as it may seem my hearing is still perfect.

Back on track with flinching. Lots of times I’ve added 3 or four of the smaller wrist or elbow bags to support my trigger finger arm. Maybe two under my hand, one under my forearm and one under my elbow.

I have a lot of hand issues and it helps take the strain off old body parts. Good luck to you. Bill C

A “Measured Response” is as effective as tongue lashing a stuck door.

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shuz44 posted this 10 June 2022

I feel fortunate to not having to deal with muzzle breaks and associated noise amplifiers at our range. I guess the day may come when someone shows up with one, but so far it's been a non issue. It's only been in the last year that I have had to be concerned about other shooters noisy rifles. Before that I had my own private shooting range. I kinda miss that!😂

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John Alexander posted this 10 June 2022

I shot at Camp Perry in 1957 and I don't remember any hearing protection on any of the hundreds of shooters, although some may have been using plugs. I was on the 6th Army team (western US) and none of our shooters used any protection and the Army seemed to have no interest in the matter even though most of  the old shooters were pretty deaf. Sometimes humans are amazingly dumb. You might think having very poor hearing would help with the flinching problem when a muzzle brake in on the next bench -- it doesn't.

John

 

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Aaron posted this 11 June 2022

When shooting at the local range from the bench it isn't necessarily the noise that makes me flinch.  It is the muzzle blast concussion from rifles with short barrels and those with muzzle brakes or, sometimes, flash suppressors that are also muzzle brakes.  This is especially the case with large capacity magnum cartridges.

Bingo! And it seems these guys ALWAYS end up on the handgun line next to a novice youngster or new shooter trying to shoot a 22LR. I never understood the need for these firearms but if they feel better with one - oh well.

 

With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.

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delmarskid posted this 11 June 2022

I was shooting prone at a match. My friend four feet on my left was shooting a 16” compensated AR10. The muzzle blast turned my cap a few degrees every time he fired.

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Larry Gibson posted this 11 June 2022

MP1886

Larry almost a waste pc'ing those 38 wadcutters because they are such low velocity it's guaranteed pc will work.....unless you just don't like lubing sizing them.  The highvelocity rifle rounds is where the show is at. Like I said you quit asking questions in pm's and there is so much more I could tell you. 

Not my bullets, just testing them for someone else.  I don't PC as I've yet to find they are really an improvement ove my own standard lubed cast bullets.  Still looking thogh.

LMG

Concealment is not cover.........

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MP1886 posted this 11 June 2022

MP1886

Larry almost a waste pc'ing those 38 wadcutters because they are such low velocity it's guaranteed pc will work.....unless you just don't like lubing sizing them.  The highvelocity rifle rounds is where the show is at. Like I said you quit asking questions in pm's and there is so much more I could tell you. 

Not my bullets, just testing them for someone else.  I don't PC as I've yet to find they are really an improvement ove my own standard lubed cast bullets.  Still looking thogh.

LMG

 

I read you and understand. I felt the same way before someone who knew more helped me out. I still think it's a PITA to cast them, coat/size them, bake them, and shoot them.  Not any easier then just lubing/sizing and it's PITA standing them up in the oven, but there is some merit to it. 

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Shuz posted this 21 June 2022

I used a pair of custom fitted ear plugs along with my usual earmuffs and noticed quite a difference. I also used a sandbag to support my shooting wrist and noticed an improvement in my groups and scores at the CBA match last Saturday. I also determined that air cooled Lyman # 2 & Saeco 100's shot better than heat trated outta my .250 Savage mdl 16. Thanks for all the suggestions!

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sergeant69 posted this 28 June 2022

my wife gets tired of me saying huh to her and yet mysteriously be able to hear other people speaking to me. its a mystery alright!

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Tom Acheson posted this 29 June 2022

At a recent CBA match, I had a decent 10-round group going. Then for the last round, after watching the wind flags, getting the crosshairs in the desired hold-off location and deciding to shoot, just as I was engaging the trigger, the guy next to me shot. The NOISE, not concussion, startled me (probably concentrating too much) and I shot before I wanted to. That really opened-up the group!

So for the next group, I was constantly monitoring that guy next to me, trying to fire between his shots. The problem with that is your “opening to shoot” might not be when your wind flags are where you’d like them to be.

Another chance to screw-up tomorrow at our next match….

Tom

 

Tom

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barra posted this 15 July 2022

I use fitted ear plugs and electric noise cancelling ear muffs that fit me.

‘Still enough noise gets through to make my ears hurt near lots of big boomers.

It’s probably only 35 db suppression thou.

I tend not to shoot where I  can feel the concussion and vibrations through the concrete tables.

They have a muzzle break area to shoot at but people tend to try and technically circumnavigate that rule.

Aughh never mind, said the blind man reading to his deaf son. 

Aye?

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2frogs posted this 25 July 2022

You need to concentrate more. When I was doing the thousand yard matches I never heard a shot. Never knew the others were done until he hollered over the loud speaker. You can do this. I don't compete any more there only at f class matches. My son finally got so he is able to block it out now. Just conceertrate on your own game. Be alone..like I said you got this. Ever watch TV and never hear somebody talking to you. It's the same game.. good luck.

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Hornet posted this 25 July 2022

Just because you can think your way into ignoring the blast doesn't mean that it isn't doing damage. Wear GOOD plugs ALWAYS around shooting. Them hearing aids are expensive...and you still end up not hearing things that you want or need to hear.

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2frogs posted this 02 February 2023

I wouldn't let a guy with a muzzle brake shoot next to me. I damn near lost my left eye due to something flying out of some guys break. But,it's your eyes..

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