Lever Action Silhouette .30-30 Cast Bullet Loads

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Wilderness posted this 01 January 2026

For a few years I shot the Rifle version of Lever Action Silhouette, picking up some ideas on what was required ammo wise. I am no longer shooting LAS Rifle, but I do still shoot the Rimfire version. Rifles are a Marlin 336A Rippletop .30-30 and a Marlin 39A.

This seems like a good time to reflect on what I concluded were the ammunition requirements for Rifle LAS. This is at odds with much that I have read, in that I propose much lighter loads for Chickens, Pigs and Turkeys, while still going for heavier bullets and a bit of oomph for Rams.

On Chickens, I found #311008, about 115 gns, loaded to 1050 fps, entirely adequate. Load was 5 gns AP70/Universal, 4.7 gns Unique, or 4.3 gns Red Dot. When playing around in practice, this load would actually knock over Pigs and Turkeys also, though the falls were leisurely.

For Pigs and Turkeys in competition, I used a 163 gn bullet, again at about 1050 fps (5.3 gns Unique). Knockdown was reliable but not violent. These slower loads conserve their velocity well and have less wind drift than higher velocity loads.

Rams require a little more thought. Research by Hornady, reported in The American Rifleman a couple of generations ago, established that momentum, not energy, was what knocked silhouettes over. That puts a premium on bullet weight, since it is conserved over distance. Our group found that 170 gn cast GC bullets at high teens velocities were what was required, provided of course that the targets were light-set as per the rules. Our loads were around 26 gns 2206H/H4895 or 28 gns 2208/Varget.

Most of our group used heavier loads on the first three targets – I don’t think they could quite believe how little it took to knock them over. When it came to Rams however, we were in agreement, having found out pretty quickly that lighter bullets or not enough velocity would leave the targets standing.

For my part, on the first three targets I wanted to stay subsonic so as to avoid any transonic issues. In that regard I have to report that my light Chicken loads still shot proportional groups at 200 meters and were quite handy for paper target Ram “silhouette” practice.

Some of us cast our own bullets while others bought the commercially cast powder coated bullets, applying gas checks as needed with the Lee die.

As an aside, the #311008 subsonics shot really well in .30-30 with 10” twist, but in .32-20 with 20” twist the subsonics were disappointing.

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Ed Harris posted this 01 January 2026

Good info here! Please expand a bit on this as a Fouling Shot article. The classic .30-30 does well with mild cast loads in the .32-20 and .32-40 class and doesn't need to be run full snort all the time.

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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shootcast posted this 01 January 2026

I shot IMHSA Big Bore many years ago. A good friend who started me shot a XP 100 in 223. He also hand loaded. Factory rounds wound damage the steel and quickly get you off the course. When it came to 200 yard full size rams he shot at the base of the rams horn. Like you said he took advantage of momentum . He seldom missed but did ring a lot of rams.

lever gun shooters with cast bullets should have a class to shoot in our matches.

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Eagleyes51 posted this 06 January 2026

Interesting thread.  Until recently I too have been shooting LAS matches.  For the rifle match I have been using a Miroku Winchester 94 short rifle fairly successfully winning a state title and a couple of masters matches.  It is an excellent rifle fitted with a Skinner front blade and Williams Foolproof sight. A bit done on the trigger and the magazine screw at the muzzle.

The bullet I use is Accurate 31-170JH.  This is Accurate's copy of the Lyman 311041 and when I ordered it I asked for the more modern style of lube groove as I am a bit suspicious of the deep round grooves of the Lyman bullet. Not necessary with modern lubes.

I started off using the Lee 170, bought in the 70s, single cavity. It was engraving the rifling just enough to be a problem. In a match I did not want to be squeezing the lever to get the rifle to fire.  I don't alter the sights at all during a match, relying on knowing the trajectory.  I use a load of 22 grains of AR2207 (H4198) for 1820 fps.  Bullet moulded of 1:1 lino/lead.  I have twice shot 10 shot groups at 50m of under an inch with this combo, off bags on a bench.

With only 30 seconds to prepare on the line changing sight setting and loading five rounds is not enough time.  Also during testing and altering sights you soon learn that they are not precision instruments.  Make a height change and you get unwanted windage as well.

I sight in 2in high at 50m, the bullet is still high at 100m, on at 150m and about 6-8in low at 200m (if I remember correctly, don't have my notebook with me).

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Wilderness posted this 06 January 2026

Eagleyes - thanks for coming in on the discussion.

It looks like our experience agrees on velocity and bullet weight for the Rams. Muzzle velocity of about 1800 fps, as well as getting the Rams down, should still be (just) supersonic at 200 meters.

Early on I shot heavies at everything and put up with the recoil, but pretty soon I confined the heavies to the Rams and lightened up on the others.

As regards lateral zero, I make sure I'm right for the Turkeys and let the relative length of the Rams and Pigs cover any errors.

Now I just shoot the Rimfire version - CCI Standard for the first three and HV solids (Federal) for the rams.

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Glenn R. Latham posted this 06 January 2026

I shot IHMSA back in the '80s with a 14" Contender in 30-30.  I tried going "ultra light" on the C-P-T with the RCBS 120 gr. bullet, but after knocking one leg of a pig off the stand (but him not falling) and turning a turkey about 80°, I went to the Lee 160 RN for the C-P-T, and the RCBS 30-180-FN for the rams.  My ram load was as much H335 as the Contender would handle - a stiff load!  If the action re-closed EASILY on a fired case I deemed the load "safe."  I started out using that hot load for all the targets, and a gal that was spotting for me once accused me of "torching" the chickens.  There was quite a fireball!

Glenn

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