Hard Cast HP .30-30 Bullet on an Adult Boar

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Wilderness posted this 06 July 2025

Herewith some images of a hog shot last night with Savage 99 .30-30 and cast bullets. He came to feed on a dead heifer, matured for 10 days. This hog had been elusive, choosing to come in only in the dark after the moon had gone down. He probably thought he was safe at 3.30 a.m.

This was the view through the scope and NV, last video frame before the shot.

 

The pig ran before piling up 24 meters from the bait.

Length of pig from snout to butt of tail was 60”. Weight as per tape measure was 193 lbs or 88 kgs.

 

The bullets are #U321297HP sized down to .312”, 170 gns as cast or 175 gns with gas check, 16 Brinnel. The hollow is about half the depth of the bullet, and removes 10 gns of weight relative to a solid bullet. Muzzle velocity is 2200 fps. Range was 55 meters, so velocity at the hog would have been about 2000 fps.

 

 

The bullet broke the shoulder going in.

 

There was still some damage being done as what was left of the bullet exited the ribcage on the opposite side.

 

Then what was left of the bullet, probably just a wadcutter slug, exited behind the shoulder, shedding the gas check as it encountered the skin. Sorry, bad focus on this one (phone).

That's the groove of the bullet hole through this thin part of the shoulder shield.

 

Fairly typical behaviour of these bullets, even on large pigs, is for at least some of the bullet to make it right through. I have very few recovered bullets, and all are in the form of a wadcutter slug with varying amounts ground off the non-hollow part of the bullet.

These hard hollow point bullets at high velocity behave altogether differently from big soft HP bullets fired at pistol or straight case rifle velocities. Indeed, a key requirement for the hard hollow points to be effective is that velocity be sufficient to break the noses – and when the noses break they go into shrapnel and don’t hang around to become mushrooms. And the hollow needs to be narrow enough relative to nose diameter to ensure a useful granulation of shrapnel.

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Aaron posted this 06 July 2025

Great report. Thanks!

With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.

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delmarskid posted this 06 July 2025

So water dropped wheel weights should do well?

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Wilderness posted this 06 July 2025

DMK

Water dropped wheel weights should be OK so long as they're not TOO hard. I have been down that path but found it too much trouble when I already had a good supply of linotype that I could dilute. One advantage of hardened WW was bullets being a few grains heavier for the same hardness. A disadvantage was being less sure of getting the same result for each batch.

Edit: The ones I used were quenched from the oven.

I got to my level of ideal hardness by varying what I was using on pigs - too soft gave inadequate penetration, too hard was not destructive enough. Linotype HP bullets behaved like armor piercers and were only useful if you could break both shoulders. Hardball was a bit soft still. My measure was bullet weight, which translated into non-lead content, and thence to hardness. In this instance 170 gns bullet weight, give or take a grain, gave the required hardness.

My criteria were that the bullet should be able to break the shoulder of a big boar and afterwards penetrate at least into the opposing shoulder, AND that it should be destructive enough to destroy the innards on a rib shot on any size of pig.

This level of hardness works for my bullet configuration at 2200 fps, although it was also good with #3589HP in 9x56 MS at 1900 fps. Velocity and hollow dimensions will feed into the hardness requirement.

After I had established my ideal weight/hardness, a friend measured my alloy and came up with 16 BHN.

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358156hp posted this 07 July 2025

So kind of the same idea as the Ness Safety Bullet but with a smaller HP cavity?

My interest is piqued...smile

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Wilderness posted this 07 July 2025

When I Googled "Ness Safety Bullet" I came up with a 175 gn .30" bullet reducing to 150 gns in hollow form - far too much hollow for my purposes.

My bullets lose 10 gns with a hollow half the depth of the bullet. I would not go any further on either count. Nor would I go lighter than 170 gns as cast in HP form. There needs to be a good slug left when the nose breaks, and the pieces that come off should be big enough to do some damage on their own account. That rules out those big fat hollows.

When I tried going further on the hollow - to 20 gns with a fatter hollow - I found I had a bullet that would mash shoulders but go no further. Incidentally I salvaged the unused ammo by packing the hollows with shot for slower expansion.

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Shuz posted this 07 July 2025

Excellent job and nice pictures!

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SkinnerD posted this 07 July 2025

Must be a big hollow indeed to be able to pack with shot, I assume just one piece of shot of appropriate size ? A novel solution. Did it affect accuracy much?

Have you tried shallow cup points at all? Possibly best suited to softer alloy applications but be interesting to know how cupping would work on hard cast for what you are doing.

Excellent write-ups by the way. Well done.

John - New Zealand

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Wilderness posted this 07 July 2025

John - just two or three pellets to slow things down. From memory I think the "big" hollow tapered from 1/8". That was with a #311407 mould, now moved on. Shot size would have been English 5 or 6, big enough that it needed to be punched in.

Not aware of any accuracy issues.

The conclusive test was a comedy of errors - I had gone out early to watch a dam that a boar was coming to. It was a lovely sunny winter morning and I went to sleep in my camp chair. When I woke, the boar was out in the middle of the dam feeding on water weeds - he must surely have seen me and written me off as harmless. In haste I whacked one into his shoulder. Normally that would have risked my having to wade out to remove him from the water. A more considered approach would have been to have "eased" him out of the water and shot him on dry land, or to have shot him in the ribs with a lighter load (#311576HP 110 gns at 1900 fps), equally lethal but not so sudden. In the event, he got out of the water in a big hurry and I had to chase him across the flat to finish him off - only at the autopsy did I discover the inadequacy of the big hollow for a shoulder shot.

Shallow point cups? No. I did try soft alloy with reduced hollow - started with a solid bullet and drilled 1/8" with Forster tool. To achieve approximate equivalence with the hard HPs required a drilled hollow 3/16" deep, removing 6 gns of metal.

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Brodie posted this 10 July 2025

Offhand, I would say that your hard hollow points work, and quite well.

B.E.Brickey

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barra posted this 10 July 2025

I’m enjoying your adventures .

Keep them coming.

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Wilderness posted this 11 July 2025

Thanks Barra - I appreciate the support.

I'd like to think I can help the Forum by sending in some of this off-the-wall stuff. I'd love to see some other contributions analysing the CB experience on game.

I try to confine myself to the stories that have a CB lesson in them.

Here's another big sow from last night, emphasising the "keep it forward" message for shot placement on pigs. The Finn Aagard message was "dead between the front legs, half way up the body". My experience with pigs is that the shot has to be a whisker further forward, as in this shot. She went straight down, though with some kicking afterwards. A boar that came in an hour earlier, at last light hence no NV video, got the same treatment, with the same result.

 

The situation was pigs coming to a stock dam with a damp spot in front of it. Game camera indicated some early evening action. Blind/4WD was parked on top of the dam wall. Shot was a bit over 70 metres. Hogs were oblivious to the vehicle despite a nearly full moon.

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muley posted this 12 July 2025

good job, keep the pictures and info coming. we don't have the same hog opportunity in Pa.

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barra posted this 12 July 2025

How have you fared with pp’ed bullets of say 12  bhn?

I haven’t shot any in my 30-30 for quite a while due to shoulder injuries ,but recovering slowly. Just beginning to be able to hold a rifle offhand and shoot mild stuff 22lr 310 cadet a little.

Mute point as I don’t hunt ,but still , you never know.

‘My go to’s were a full load of 2206h over a 150-170.

I have some old ww ball powder for large rifles. 785? A duplex and compressed load was accurate and must have been the loudest gun on the range as it must have been still burning when existing definitely more boom than crack.  I’d let one fly the  every now and again and the range would go quiet and you could hear people ask what the hell was that. big_grin

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Wilderness posted this 12 July 2025

Barra - in .32-40 I did run some soft HP #311407, .314" patched up to .321" with a double wrap of onion skin. Gas checks were omitted, patched bullets were wiped lightly with Castrol LMM and then run through the .321" sizer. They shot alright, but in .32-40 were a bit underpowered for the sort of reaction I expect from my hogs.

I have approached the question from the hardness side also, running some soft lubed bullets in .30-30 at full speed. Surprisingly, groups were still OK. This was with LeveRevolution, which has pretty slow pressure buildup, so the good group with soft bullets might be a tribute to LeveRevolution. What I found was that a solid soft bullet (192 gns) had wasted penetration and not enough damage. Adding a hollow with the Forster 1/8" hollow pointer brought performance up to where it needed to be when I got to 6 gns lead removal.

I would be interested to do the PP thing just to say I'd done it, but don't have access to a suitably small mould for .30-30. The others I've done have used .314" to make .321", .360" to make 9.3 mm and .452 (.45Auto) to make .460" for 50 m .45-70.

When I was still shooting skeet I would occasionally run a black powder cartridge - that too would make them pay attention.

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barra posted this 12 July 2025

Well it looks like I’ll have to send you some bullets to try and test 

I’ll have a check to see what I have laying around.

get back to you.

 

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barra posted this 13 July 2025

found some mihec 150hp hunter.

130 homemade pp mold and 115 Lee soup can if you want light.

may have some 170’s fp’s about too if you want heavier.

cheers

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Wilderness posted this 13 July 2025

Thanks Barra - nice looking bullets and thanks for the offer but I think they might be wasted on me.

I've already resolved that for my purposes (killing pigs) I need hard HPs with some weight, hence the sized down #U321297HP. I also have #311008 for light bullets, used in the Marlin in LAS and Lever Action, #311041 no longer used in anything, WRACo .32-40-165 useful for LAS sized down to .312", and #311576HP (112 gns) an absolute doozie in hard alloy at 1900 fps in the Savage for everything small including small pigs - it shoots dead on at 50 m when rifle is zeroed at 150 for the heavy stuff.

Your Mihec HP I would think might be too much hollow for pigs, but would be good for smaller stuff.

These days I'm progressively getting rid of stuff - #311407HP, #311291HP, #3589HP, WRACo .32-20, a couple of Lees .....

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shootcast posted this 13 July 2025

Would love to have a 99 in 30-30. Real sweet. Deer certainly aren’t the same critter. But I have tried several different cast bullets and loads. Most with my TC Contender Carbine in 30-30. The only HP I have ever fooled with was with a 22 caliber bullet shooting groundhog. Basically the same results as far as Bullet goes. The nose section broke off but that helped. Problem was I couldn’t get it to shoot accurate enough for even close range shots. Back to deer and 30 caliber. I thought I had a good high velocity Bullet when I read and tried casting from harder alloy. Then standing Bullet in a pail of water just to top grease groove. Then heating the nose section with a propane torch until the alloy became almost a liquid. This was to anneal the nose and keep remaining Bullet hard. The more I experimented I realized that though it did work it only lowered the BHN by about 2 BHN. Wasn’t really what I was looking for. My hunting is never more than 100 yards. Big flat ogive bullets don’t have to expand much and do well on game. The Lyman 041 was my pick until I tried the RCBS 180 FP. Cast from a 50/50 mix, W/Wts. & plumbers lead. ( 190 gr. ) Gas checked these shoot just over 1900 FPS . Even this soft alloy shoots plenty accurate for over 100 yards. No leading than I can detect. It hammers a deer. Recently I have been shooting a 7.62x39 and using the Lyman 041 . Same alloy and velocity a little slower. Still gets the job done.

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