CZ 452 Varmint .22 Caliber Today

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pat i posted this 10 December 2024

Took my .22 out today to get some bench time . It was cold and windy but I had to get out.  So I threw some CCI SV in the car along with the rifle and headed down to the range. Two things I learned was the CCI didn't shoot too bad and cold weather shooting isn't something I enjoy any more. I froze my arse  off but  it was still fun getting out and beat loading centerfires at the  range or muzzleloaders. I know Glenn Latham and George Damron like to shoot .22s but is there anyone else? If so I'd like to hear some reports of their results. Range was 50 yards.

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Aaron posted this 10 December 2024

Yes I do. That's what got me started in shooting at a very young age. As a boy we all shot on the police dept rifle teams against other departments. I shot on the Baltimore Co Police Dept team. I used to sling my Sears bolt action rifle and mount my sturdy steed (bicycle) to pedal my way down Eastern Ave to the PD indoor range near Essex. Nobody gave us a second notice back then. Today of course, black helicopters would be circling over anyone attempting that stunt. Clearly it would be a "domestic terrorist" now.

Got my first NRA certification of Marksman in 1964 whilst shooting on the school rifle team with a single-shot Remington bolt action rifle. The couch used to dole out 5 rounds to each of us while lying on an old mattress on the firing line. We would fire our prescribed rounds and await the call to pull our targets for scoring. We were taught that each shot counted and learned proper marksmanship principles which would serve me very well in the Corps years later.

My Dad and I would squirrel hunt with 22s when the opportunity arose. We hunted on Uncle Jake's farm in Western Maryland then before all the congestion arose. Jake's farm was on the old Mason/Dixon Line - literally. We used to have fun stepping across the line into Union land, then back into the Confederacy. Well now of course, Maryland is the "Peoples Republic of Maryland", not the state is was 50 years ago. I watched the Commonwealth of Virginia go all PC too. What a total shame to see how a few cities and concentrations of political beliefs change a whole state that is (was) mostly rural. Progress right?

Well the 22 factored large into my youth and is becoming more so in my later years. It's cheaper to shoot and easier to shoot. It tends to bring me back to the basics and always served in that role during my USMC years as well as in my competitive shooting years. A trip to the range with nothing more than a 22 for marksmanship sake alone. I would load two rounds in the magazine but treat it like a single shot. Rifle or pistol shot the same way. Sight alignment, sight picture, breath control, squeeze the trigger, call the shot.

CZ is making some fine 22s and I have had my eye on them for a while now. Thanks for showing us the rifle's potential when shot in a marksman's hands!

 

With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.

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pat i posted this 10 December 2024

Thanks for showing us the rifle's potential when shot in a marksman's hands!

 

LOL!! I think you have me mistaken for someone else.

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SkinnerD posted this 10 December 2024

Grew up on a dairy farm with 22 bolt rifle in hand, solo from age 12. Hares, rabbits and unlucky quail if no one was watching. Had an allowance of x2 pkts of hi vel (total 100rds) a mth. Had to keep them out in the last week of a long mth lol. I wasn't the best shot..nor was the open sight rifle necessarily well set up for a youngster.. I learned it was harder to hit a rabbit at 25 paces than 50 (those sights). Also that one could empty the rifle at a stationary rabbit then it would hope away as you reloaded. Hares tend to circle after being flushed. Headshot quail are very tasty cooked over an open fire. Great memories.

Now I shoot a Toz bolt rifle suppressed with subs out to 110m. Scoped. Rabbits don't know what hit them.

John - New Zealand

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Oquawka posted this 10 December 2024

I was out Monday and fired 50 shots offhand. Practicing for a indoor match on Sunday.

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Glenn R. Latham posted this 10 December 2024

Pat, no flies on that rifle, or the ammo!  I don't think you'd gain anything with a new 457 MTR.

I worked swing shift back in the 80's and so got out to the range quite a bit in the mornings.  Back then I came to the conclusion that under 50° it was just too cold to sit at the bench for a few hours!  In the last few weeks I had some loads I really wanted to try, so braved some 40's weather and was quite comfortable.  Of course back in the 80's I just had cotton long johns and jeans, and now I have hi-tech Bass Pro thermals and Thinsulate lined jeans.  The new stuff must make a difference.

Glenn

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pat i posted this 10 December 2024

Glad to hear about people's experiences playing with 22s. Sometimes I think we forget how nice it is to get out and enjoy a day of shooting without all the hurdles of fighting a rifle or having to spend hours reloading, myself included. What I like about the CZ compared to other 22s I've owned is it feels like a real rifle. I was just browsing their site and the American looks like a pretty good gun. When I bought this thing years ago they made a military trainer rifle that really caught my eye and it was a toss up which one I'd buy. I chose this one because the military had a pretty good drop at the butt stock more useful for using iron sights. Guess it's a popular design in Europe. It was pretty cool looking though. Now I'm looking at one of those tuner things that slide on the barrel for some reason. Anyone have any experience with one? A regular tuner would be much better I imagine but the cost difference is substantial for something I don't know squat about. 10 bucks vs a lot more. It does interest me though. One thing that surprised my was I had my Garmin set up to record velocity and a good number of the CCI SV were going under 1000 fps and the ones over went no higher than 1030. I shot some Mini Mags and they clocked at around 1280 so I don't think the chrono was acting up, who knows.

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beltfed posted this 10 December 2024

fwiw

On Jan 4, at Lincoln Gun Club, Merrill,WI , we will be shooting 22 rifles, Traditional (SS rife, Iron sights) or Modern (anything goes) from the WARM indoor clubhouse at 40 yds (offhand), then 100, 150, and 190 yds at gongs.  Lots of different rifles shot.  I shoot my BSA MKII Int'l with scope. Fun Match, for bragging rights. A number of people shoot CZ rifles, others Anschutz, Original Ballards, etc

beltfed/arnie

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delmarskid posted this 11 December 2024

Most times when I take my 22 out I remark to myself, “Why do I shoot anything else?” .

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Bud Hyett posted this 11 December 2024

There is an increasing interest in .22 Long Rifle matches at 50, 100 and 200 yards in the Pacific Northwest. The interest is among several groups; single shot falling block, target rifles with heavy and sporter weight barrels, and even classes for semi-automatic rifles with both factory and custom heavy barrels. The American Single shot Rifle Association has classes and maintains National Records for .22 Long Rifle at 100 and 200 yards.

Personally, I enjoy the challenge of the .22 Long Rifle at these ranges plus I'm not scrounging brass at the end of each relay. Sorting brands of ammunition by lot number gives a person the excuse to go to the range. Often a BSA  Martini accompanies me to the range to warm up with before testing loads or practicing with the centerfire. 

Farm boy from Illinois, living in the magical Pacific Northwest

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OU812 posted this 11 December 2024

Have you ever tried to "follow thru" after pulling the trigger and watching 22 rimfire bullet impact target. It's pretty easy using lower velocity ammo such as heavy subsonic 22.

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linoww posted this 11 December 2024

looks good Pat! I'm digging out my CZ 22 for this next few shoots. I need to step back from working up loads and just get some trigger time.

"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!

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Boschloper posted this 11 December 2024

I have 5 .22 rifles, Remington 510, 511, and 512 (all scoped), a Winchester 74, and a 10/22. The 512 was my Christmas present in 1965 (I was 12), the 510 and 511 are more recent additions to complete the family. I have tricked out the 10/22 with a heavy barrel, a 3X9 scope, and a thumbhole stock. It shoots almost as good as the Remingtons. I shoot thru the winter any time the temperature is above 25 deg. The Remingtons are better in the winter, the 2 semi autos prefer warm summer days. I have never spent much time looking for each gun’s favorite ammo, CCI std. vel. works good in all of them. Any gun, a couple boxes of ammo and a target, or a hand full of clays and I’m good. 

Math is hard. I was 11 in 1965.

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pat i posted this 11 December 2024

Have you ever tried to "follow thru" after pulling the trigger and watching 22 rimfire bullet impact target. It's pretty easy using lower velocity ammo such as heavy subsonic 22.

Haven't done that but if the lights right I've seen them flying down range at 100 yards

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pat i posted this 11 December 2024

I shoot thru the winter any time the temperature is above 25 deg.

When I was younger and a lot tougher shooting in the winter was no problem at all. Now that I'm 69 and turned into a sissy the cold goes right through me no matter what I have on. It's especially rough on my hands and it's a little hard to shoot with 2 pairs of gloves and a pair of mittens on.

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OU812 posted this 11 December 2024

I own a Remington 541 Target Heavy Barrel. Barrel is not free floated and very sensitive to the way you hold it when shooting Any kind of pressure twist on its wooden stock will cause inaccuracy. A light grip must be used for best accuracy. Bipod is out of the question (shotgun pattern)

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John Alexander posted this 11 December 2024

Pat,

If I read your measurements correctly, I got 0.579" or 1.18 MOA for an average of the 11 five shot groups with SV. Damn good for non-match ammo.

Better keep it.

John

 

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John Alexander posted this 11 December 2024

OU812,

Sounds irritating.

Maybe a candidate for free floating?  Or free floating all but back two inches. Or, at least, shim under receiver ring to get temporary free floating  to see if free floating does any good. Easy to do and the results would make an interesting post.

John

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OU812 posted this 11 December 2024

Shim under receiver ring? Never thought of that. Two minds are better than one.

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pat i posted this 12 December 2024

I have to see what the CCI that comes in 50 round boxes does compared to the stuff that comes in the 100 round plastic containers. If I remember right it wasn't as good but that could be selective memory. The target I shot was with the stuff in the 100 round boxes. The target was shot with 2 different plastic boxes of ammo and I don't think it was from the same lot since they were bought from different places at least a year apart. I also just ordered one of those rubber gizmos that you slide up and down your barrel to supposedly tune it. It was only 7 bucks so the least I've ever spent on something shooting wise to experiment with. I'll see if it does anything at all and isn't just snake oil for fools like me to spend money on.

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max503 posted this 12 December 2024

The older I get the easier it is to understand why people move to Florida.  

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