Why are we all so old?

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RicinYakima posted this 02 December 2024

I got my Fouling Shot last week and my grandson-in-law looked at the pictures from the National Matches. "All a bunch of old guys!"

Well, kind of hurt my feelings, but he was right. So I started looking on the internet for precision shooters through the ages. They are all old guys, why? My feeling is that until you reach 40 you don't appreciate putting the bullet exactly in the right spot. Young rifle shooters now seem to fire a magazine, 30 rounds, and hope to get one close to the center. I really don't know.

Below is a pictures of the Andover, OH, rifle club from a century ago.

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OU812 posted this 02 December 2024

I started casting at age 36 and my only mentor was gun magazines. It was a learning process for sure, from bad leading, fouled black powder barrels, poor accuracy smokeless rifle loads etc. It's now more rewarding when i think i have it figured out more. Maybe we should try to mentor our children and grand children...I don't know? I am now 65 years old.

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Bud Hyett posted this 02 December 2024

I'll be eighty years old in two weeks; I began casting at the age of thirty eight after a severe concussion limited the amount of recoil I could take. Also, I had bought a Marlin 1895 .45-70 where I was paying over $.20 a round for jacketed bullets. The amount of work to develop an accurate load intrigued me.

Then I found the CBA and life progressed from there. The men in my family either pass away at 72 (for some reason) or live into their late eighties. I'm working on getting back to shooting well with the remission from cancer. Cast bullet shooting gives me an incentive to keep going.

Farm boy from Illinois, living in the magical Pacific Northwest

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Premod70 posted this 02 December 2024

After viewing the Nationals this year and seeing some really old guys picking up the honors it is apparent that experience rules the game and rightfully so. Our game requires a much broader knowledge base and being young with all the physical advantages doesn't level the field. It's great that there is a sport us geezers can rule even if we need help getting the gear on the table, lol.

Forrest Gump is my smarter brother.

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oscarflytyer posted this 02 December 2024

I think a big part of it is, we are old before we can really put as much effort as required into such endeavors.  With 5 boys, there is no way I would have been able to afford to shoot enough back then, or afford to travel to the matches, etc.  I am 62 and just now getting to where I could go do all that.  And now Grandkids!

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Pentz posted this 02 December 2024

This discipline takes time, which most younger people don't have to spare.  I started at 35 with LEE 358 molds shooting bullseye when I could, but my work allowed little time.  It was not until retirement that there was sufficient time for all that dedicated cast bullet activirty.  I am now 77 and hope I have the remaining time to pursue the mysteries of the lead muse.

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Lucky1 posted this 02 December 2024

I noticed this truism several decades ago: I had either money or time at any particular point in my life but seldom both at the same time. I'm sure that I wasn't the only one in this condition. Fast forwarding to my current situation; still farming but with less intensity but free time is far from being a commodity. I have learned to take a break from the grind and head to some more CBA matches and work on developing loads etc. in my spare moments. Time is no longer on my side. So I agree that the 'geezery I get, the easier it gets' to patiently do this. But I do worry that we aren't bringing enough new people in to keep this organization going whatever their age.

Scott Ingle

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pat i posted this 02 December 2024

Being old ain't for the weak but it beats the hell out of the alternative. Time constraints, young families, and the cost and unavailability of everything nowadays makes it tough for younger guys to get involved. That and computers, cell phones, and black guns that is.

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linoww posted this 02 December 2024

When I shot my first CBA match i was 28 years old.i was 20 to 30 years younger than most shooters. 

Now at 58 I'm  still at least 20 years younger than most shooters.

Young blood not interested unless it's a  tactical type shoot.And honestly most of the time I'm.at the range it's all tactical stuff,even the old guys.

"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!

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Tom Acheson posted this 02 December 2024

My casting "career" began in 1983. I shot my first CBA match in 1997, was 49 @ the time. Yes, our group photos at the end of ourlocal matches look like the one Ric included in his OP.

We hear it often...I either have more money than time or more time than money. The years spent raising kids has you in the situation of limited time and money. We just welcomed our first GREAT granchild in June. Never thought I see that day! I can recall being in class in high school, looking at my history teacher (Andrew Rindy) and saying to myself..."I'm never going to be that old." Man, was I wrong!

Tom 

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Mal in au posted this 02 December 2024

My cast career started in 1973,joined the Adelaide pistol club that year, all the old boys back then were very helpful and encouraging us young blokes,.38 spec,45 auto, and .32 ,mostly wad cutters in those days, .45 was a RCBS Keith 200 grainer.It was all ISU (Olympic) style matches ,Rapid fire,Standard Gun, Centerfire,To satisfy the local plod our need for 45 autos we developed a match based on the standard 22 match, but a half course,15 shots slow fire, 15 timed. 20,10 and 5 sec. 5 each. There was no such thing as IPSC in those days. We did start a match called service, it was based around the old FBI match I believe, still shot today,90 rounds from 50 yrd to 10 yrds. Various positions.I then I later yrs shoot a lot of cast in rifles ,.22,308,303,357,30/222,6.5X55, and of course the most fun of all my Swede 40/65 still at it 50+ yrs later.my latest venture has been .22 PCP , newest will be BP shotgun!! Cheers Mal in au.

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Shuz posted this 02 December 2024

I'm 83 now and still trying to compete in local CBA matches. However, my peripheral neuropathy has progressed to my hands now and I am have a great deal of difficulty loading my Savage 16 .250 Savage and the Accu-trigger is  nearly impossible for me to control since I  keep inadvertently applying side pressure on the blade and it trips. I am trying to get around that by going to a Remington 700 in .25-06. So far the results have not been outstanding  but

I haven't given up!

 

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John Carlson posted this 03 December 2024

While our average age may be higher than preferred, it should be noted that this years National Grand Champion came from the younger set.  We do see some new/younger shooters (ok, pretty much everybody is younger from this vantage point) but few of them have the time or desire to travel to a 2 day plus tournament.

John Carlson. CBA Director of Military Competition.

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.22-10-45 posted this 03 December 2024

My experience is a little different..taught myself to cast on an old cast iron wood range in 1969 at 15 running ball for a .36 51' Navy Arms Colt. And later, .30-40 Krag , .38-55 & .222 Rem.  Graduated to a Saeco electric shooting IHMSA.  All throughout that period, up to present time, other than a very few pistol shooters, there has only Ben one other member of our club who casts for rifles. I started loading at range to save time in load development...just powder charging & bullet seating..got many wondering looks..finally a twenty something came over and stated..."Oh..you pack your own?"  So even handloading sems to be becoming an esoteric pastime.

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sluggo posted this 03 December 2024

I used to help my uncle reload .38's when i was 11. He was with the c.p.d. My cousin and I would knock out the primers and clean the brass with steel wool. When I got older it was a great way to shoot cheap. Now the economic savings are not as good. I helped a younger guy (35yrs. old) to handload for his 270 win. After his first trip to the range with his "own" ammo and tighter groups he is a happy camper. I am lucky to be retired and have the time to have hobbies. A lot of younger folk are too busy trying to keep up with everything to have hobbies. I was glad to leave the rat race and not look back.

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DanLH posted this 03 December 2024

Well at this years Nationals, I think I was the oldest one there @ 88 and if you look at the Hvy results in 5 shot group grand aggregate, Nathan Daves who is about 15 beat me by 0.001. So, there is hope for the younger people but you are right, it's mostly and old guys sport.

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Aaron posted this 03 December 2024

Simply put, I now have the time and the money to enjoy casting and handloading for all the oddball calibers I shoot. I started handloading in the early 80s to shoot 38 Spl and 9mm cheaper on the PPC league. When I got involved with J.D. Jones, it became evident that I would need some of his 44 and 45 caliber bullet molds to really make some of my guns perform better on game critters. My casting career began in earnest then. I always found some time to load and cast between parental duties, even trying to get the boys involved. They had other interests however and their mother was never a fan of either me or my shooting activities.

The boys are gone now doing their own parental obligations and trying to keep up with all the current electronic gadgets and minivans for the grand-kids. With a paid-for home and no other major expenses, my wife and I can enjoy our hobbies. She travels and I cast and load for cartridges the younger crowd has never heard of which aren't all that old anyway.

It was just yesterday when I explained to a young "business degree" graduate at Campbell University about the IT bubble bursting in 2001/2002 where both my wife and I lost not only our retirement money, but our entire stock portfolios as well. He had never heard of it. Wasn't even a footnote in the curriculum at university business school. I wonder if he ever heard of the stock market crash and the depression? We started over at age 45 at 1/3 the income.

Remember too that we older guys, generally boomers, have a different way of doing things. We study things, We ponder things, We experiment. We are problem solvers. We READ. We know most of what is available online from keyboard commandos is total BS. We see it here on the forum whereby some members clearly know what they are talking about and a few do not. It's easy to spot if you really have 40 years of casting experience - although this IS a learning forum for all of us - regardless of our experience level.

At the range I do see a disgusting expense of money in 223 ammo, X-Blackout ammo, 308 ammo and yes, 9mm, 10mm and all the new weekly wonder cartridges. To see a youngster spray $1,000 of ammo downrange through a $5,000 AR platform is amazing. The barrel is left smoking from heat, the bore is getting shot out within a year from the abuse, and the youngsters envision themselves in mortal combat with paper targets or dirt clods on the berms. It's scary actually. I wonder if their families are cared for as they expend their money on fantasy serving activities. They certainly have the money, just not the desire to handload or even worse....cast.

I am now at the age, have the disposable income, experience, knowledge, and desire to ENJOY my hobby. Therefore I do. Just last week I was fussing with Accurate Mold 31-120I and wondering why the bullets I cast from it would not completely chamber in a Ruger Single Six 32 Mag revolver. Bullets cast from the subsequent casting session would chamber. Explaining as-cast bullet diameter to an uninterested person is pointless. Most of you experienced casters know about this when casting with different alloys. Yup, the 20:1 alloy bullets chambered. The Lyman #2 bullets did not. I'll have to test that alloy to see if it is still Lyman#2 or perhaps drifted off to some other alloy after being added to in the pot for about a year. Odds are it's something else now right?

Enough rambling from an "old guy" here. You other old guys better get your breakfast going. You younger guys should be at your desk at work by now after putting up with your traffic filled morning commutes. HA! I sure don't miss that.

Shoot Safe

With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.

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OU812 posted this 03 December 2024

Does anyone else have way too many bullet moulds? Over the years or since 1996 I have purchased several to try and discovered I only need about 4 or 5 of them.

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pat i posted this 03 December 2024

Does anyone else have way too many bullet moulds? Over the years or since 1996 I have purchased several to try and discovered I only need about 4 or 5 of them.
Without a doubt. Mostly 30 caliber but a slew of others too that I thought I needed at some point in time. I'm continually finding molds I didn't know I even had. If LBT was still in business I'm sure I'd have even more.

 

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RicinYakima posted this 03 December 2024

Describe what you mean by "too many". I think I have about 80 or so, including my first Dixie mould from 1961 for the 36 Navy C&B.  There are at least 50 I will never cast with again, but it wouldn't make my life better if I sold them. 

The only way I have been selling some is if someone posts that they are looking for a specific mould and I have it and will not use it anymore. 

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Bud Hyett posted this 03 December 2024

Does anyone else have way too many bullet moulds?

Yes. And I'm getting ready to sell many of them. Some are discontinued, some are custom, some simply did not work out. I've finally realized that one mold cut for the leade and twist rate of the rifle in a heavier weight is the best approach. And I'm getting too old to spend days shooting a possibly good production mold rather than tailoring a load for mold cut for that rifle. o

Edit: The nice item from inventorying the molds for sale is finding an unused brass Eagan 6mm 88-grain mold I didn't know I had. It is tapered like the SAECO #315 and has great promise. 

Farm boy from Illinois, living in the magical Pacific Northwest

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