Saved by the Bolt

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 11 December 2020

i borrowed this pic from facebook ... i assume public property ...

wonder if this guy knows how close he was to  disaster ?

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after 60 years i still dipstick every load ... 

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JimmyDee posted this 12 December 2020

Seeing something like that just makes me think, "More lugs!"  Maybe more Hatcher holes, too...

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Qc Pistolero posted this 12 December 2020

never seen anything like that...and hope to never see another one again!

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rhbrink posted this 12 December 2020

I would like to know the rest of the story!

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 12 December 2020

this caused a bit of discussion ...  in this case, the lugs are still there , so any shrapnel went mostly sideways or forward.  good for remington.

one guy reported he bot a can of popular name powder for deer loads that was really pistol powder mislabeled as a slower powder ... 

most blowups were from using wrong powder ( left in measure and no patience to check for sure ) ....

one blowup was blamed on a lee dipper ( this seems not the whole story ... ) ...

i was thinking this is interesting for we reduced/small charge cast shooters ... room for several times overcharge ...

 

 

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David Reiss posted this 12 December 2020

Ignorance and carelessness are alive and well. Right at this very moment I am working on a Para Ordnance .45 that a guy was shooting his handloads in. A friend was shooting it at the time a case blew out and sent a sizeable piece of brass into his check. The gun owner "cleared the jam" and keep shooting it. When he got home to clean it, he found the slide cracked lengthwise, see photo. His comment to me was,"That's just part of shooting and handloading. After 40 years or so it was bound to happen". Good thing he had left it at the gunshop and I was talking to him over the phone, because I am sure the look on my face would have said,"dumbass".

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Rum River posted this 13 December 2020

Wow, that's just plain damn scary - both pictures.

Friend of mine bragged about how he was loading jacketed 200gr bullets to 1100 fps in a 1911. Right up until the day he blew the magazine out of the pistol. Last I heard he was shopping for a replacement to a VERY swelled slide and planning to use the same frame.

Different guy at a centerfire handgun league. During warmup the shooter in lane next to me had a squib load that left over 90% of his cast bullet protruding from his revolver's muzzle. It took all of us in that indoor range to convince him he wasn't firing any more of that ammunition that night. He got mad at us and left.

Good.

"Well hell boys. I'd damn sight rather be hung by my friends than by a bunch'a damn strangers."

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RicinYakima posted this 14 December 2020

Middle of the road is a good place to be.

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Rich/WIS posted this 14 December 2020

OMG can't imagine the pressure level it took to do that.  Remington used to advertise how strong their M700 was and I guess they weren't lying.

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Premod70 posted this 15 December 2020

The picture of the bolt doesn’t look like a picture of a blown cartridge, rather a swelled over pressure cartridge that has the remnants stuck in the boltface; common to that type of bolt system.

Forrest Gump is my smarter brother.

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Ross Smith posted this 15 December 2020

I hope I'm not stealing the thread, but here goes. These instances look like experienced( yah right) shooters were involved. Can't fix stupid. There are a lot of first time owner shooters right now. I've already had a couple instances at the range where I had to educate on safety and range courtesy. We need to help these newbies or there will be more instances like the above.

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Ross Smith posted this 15 December 2020

 Looks to me like some body used a hammer and chisel to get what was left of the case out of the bolt. But definetly over pressure, lots of over pressure. 

On the safety side, Utah is bone dry right now and the static electricity is causing the powder to stick in my powder measures.

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Brodie posted this 16 December 2020

Besides the fact that it is an obvious overload.  Why is the front of the bolt beat all to heck?  I mean it looks like someone went after it with a hammer and chisel or just beat it all to s### for the heck of it.  I would look twice at anything the owner of that rifle had to say, because it is obvious that some "work" was done on it before anyone who has a clue could get a hold of it.

B.E.Brickey

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RicinYakima posted this 16 December 2020

To me, it appears they used a hacksaw to cut the action off of the bolt lugs.

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Bud Hyett posted this 16 December 2020

I've seen a case in the bolt face like this on a XP-100. The bolt was opened by pressuring a 2X4 against the bolt handle and hitting the 2X4 with increasing pressure until it moved. The case was swelled into the bolt face, most of the brass taken out by back-boring in a lathe. Grinding a lathe tool with a hook removed the final bit, but the extractor never worked again. 

 

Farm boy from Illinois, living in the magical Pacific Northwest

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bushranch posted this 17 December 2020

I was present when a M 700 locked up tightly (.308) It was opened via the 2x4 method and the bolt came out with the case base firmly expanded into the bolt face and extractor. The shooter , against suggestions removed the case by pounding it against a post. It did release and the extractor broke a small piece of steel out of the groove that holds the extractor. Rifle was a custom build for Hi-Power shooting. Load was said to be 25 grains of 4759 ? It seems some Hi-Power shooters were using our Cast Bullet powder to develop low recoil loads ?? Shooter had lots of reloading experience but had never used 4759 . Loading procedure supported powder bridging in funnel.  Rus

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RicinYakima posted this 17 December 2020

The old Belding and Mull is the only powder measure that will reliably meter SR4759. I use a lot of it, but look into every case after I put the powder in and then immediately seat the bullet.

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