Primer Thoughts

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Bud Hyett posted this 09 May 2021

 During today's CBA Military match at Paul Bunyan, the question was raised if members feel they have enough primers to shoot either a Regional or National Match. Several people we know have not shot this year due to a lack primers, or a fear of shooting now and not having primers for Fall hunting.

Alice and I will be there in Blue Springs this September, my granddaughter's wedding is the weekend before in Brookings, SD. But I am only good for this year's competition schedule, next year will be a challenge.

Sounds like a strange scenario, but  do we need tp get commitment to assure enough shooters to hold these matches? 

Farm boy from Illinois, living in the magical Pacific Northwest

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John Alexander posted this 09 May 2021

Good question Bud.

I think we will just have to play it by ear.  If it looks like we are not getting enough entries we could be forced to cancel again -- the last thing we want to do.

John

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lotech posted this 09 May 2021

I could be wrong,but...

I realize handloaders comprise a very tiny segment of shooters in general. However, from talking with handloading folks at a private gun club I've belonged to for years, it seems most have at least a minimally adequate supply of components, including primers. A lot of these people shoot regularly. I've heard no numbers mentioned, but I think many handloading shooters will be in reasonably good shape for quite a while. I won't  even speculate on how long this shortage situation will last. Too many others do that constantly but I doubt they know anymore about it than the rest of us. 

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Bud Hyett posted this 09 May 2021

I realize I may be crying "Wolf" in this thread. However, the immediate results are many shooters are stepping back from shooting matches. Perhaps this is initial shock and panic. But match attendance is down this year, attendees being mainly the loyalists. 

In my own case, I wanted this Summer to work with my 7mm BR and 7mm-08 after changing the throating to seat the RCBS 7mm-168-SP. This on hold for the present until Fall and the competition season is over. Careful allocation of the existing primer stock will get me through this year and next. 

I see Remington coming back onboard for ammunition as a major force in the ongoing discussion. Soon, the panic buyers will get enough, the speculators will not find buyers and gun show tables will not be disturbed, the store shelves will to be filled. Then the sales will start for the overstocks. Then the reloaders will be able to buy large stocks to have a common lot number for the season. 

My thought is this will be the winter of 2022 and I hope I am pessimistic. 

John Alexander is right, they will need to assess how many are shooting the Nationals this year. The other side of the question is for people to plan the year and have the ability to attend the Regionals and the Nationals. 

Farm boy from Illinois, living in the magical Pacific Northwest

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4and1 posted this 09 May 2021

This is not the first time our Govt. has created a powder/primer shortage. In my view, I don't understand how any avid shooter could find him/her self without the critical components.  I sure would like to get my hands on the powder of my choice right now, but if I can't, I have plenty of a few others that can get my by.

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JeffinNZ posted this 09 May 2021

This is not the first time our Govt. has created a powder/primer shortage.

How did the government create a shortage? As far as I can see if is partly new owners entering the market and inconsiderate shooters hording.

Cheers from New Zealand

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358156hp posted this 09 May 2021

I don't understand the "hoarding" part. Like many others, I keep at least some stock of reloading supplies, and I've sold more of my stock than I've used in the last year. I still have a comfortable amount, and when primers are available locally, we are limited to purchasing 1000 primers a day by the only sporting goods store in the area that seems to be big enough to occasionally supply them. I quit selling small amounts of primers months ago and will no longer make them available for sale. Does this make me an inconsiderate hoarder since I choose to keep them?

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RicinYakima posted this 10 May 2021

This is not the first time our Govt. has created a powder/primer shortage.

How did the government create a shortage? As far as I can see if is partly new owners entering the market and inconsiderate shooters hording.

It was unintentional. By electing a group of politicians who are anti-shooting and yelling about passing new gun laws and taxing ammunition. It scares people in the US. Plus when you have a war going on and used up ten years supply of small arms ammo, it has to be replaced. 

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mrbill2 posted this 10 May 2021

Well, I made up my mind the last time we went through this BS that I won't be caught again with my pants down, never again.

If you didn't learn that last time, don't cry on my shoulder. I not a hoarder, I just got a little smarter than you.

mrbill2

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John Alexander posted this 10 May 2021

My son knows two individuals who each claim to have over 500 pounds of powder and are proud of it -- that's hoarding.  So are the bottom feeders who buy up large amounts and then sell at gun shows for two or three times as much. If there are enough of them, it works. 

I can believe that new shooters are buying lots of guns and ammunition, mostly because of  fear and trembling over  some of the hysteria, it is harder to imagine that a lot of them rush right out and go into reloading.  We are getting lots of newbys at our range wanting shooting instruction, haven't heard of one wanting instruction or even advice in reloading. 

John

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Lee Guthrie posted this 10 May 2021

The influx of new reloaders and new bullet casters appears to be overwhelming.  Many new reloading/casting groups on FaceBook and MeWe.  I believe Ken Campbell is an admin at one of the more popular ones (can't recall which one -- since being censored several times there I quit that site).  Most of the newbies are shooting ARs in .223 or .300 BO, or some version of a wondernine, and ALL want to powder coat cast bullets (quick, easy, less equipment, and don't lead at the velocities they want:  accuracy appears to not be important).

Not just a few folks who finally got the message that GOVCO wants our guns, but chaos in the streets in this country are driving many many people who had never fired a gun to suddenly decide to buy several and as much ammo as they could get their hands on.  The price of all firearms and ammo is through the roof.  A case of cheap 9mm ammo that could be bought for less than $200 two years ago now costs over $500 (if you can find it).   Some folks who had been burned during the Clintonista administration have put back a "strategic" supply, but I'd still like to be able to purchase powder and primers if I ever need more. 134

 

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sluggo posted this 10 May 2021

The local range by me is pretty empty except for the weekends. I guess the cost of ammo has kept attendance down. Where I live there is a 10 cent per round "sin tax" on each round of handgun and rifle ammo besides the regular sales tax. That is good incentive to reload. I do not think the new firearm owners are doing much reloading by the amount of 9mm and .223 empties that litter the range. You can kind of tell a newbie at the range. For the most part they are terrible shots. I make the suggestion that they should maybe start with a .22 to learn proper shooting skills and safety and get the "uh huh, sure old man" look. Since the early 80's I always tried to keep a good supply of components in stock. It is paying off again. I think supplies will return with a higher price tag like everything else around here.

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358156hp posted this 10 May 2021

In all honesty, if someone feels the need to hoard reloading supplies, a better course of action would be to hoard factory ammo instead. That's not applicable to those with special ammunition needs, but for most people it would likely be a better way to go.

 

And leave the reloading components for the rest of us.

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Tim DeMarais posted this 11 May 2021

I think most folks are shooting less. Gunfire is not unusual here, or a cause for concern, but it is much less frequent. I am still shooting but also conserving components. While there are some reloaders in the area, I think most purchase factory ammo.

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John Alexander posted this 12 May 2021

I have deleted a post that insisted on a strong political take on this issue.  Please take your political thoughts and positions to other internet locations meant for political arguments.  Thanks.

John

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OU812 posted this 13 May 2021

Federal just purchased Remington ammo/reloading division. Federal also purchased the rights to the Remington logo, but did not purchase firearm division.

Ruger purchased from Remington the Marlin lever action division. ETC.

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admiral posted this 13 May 2021

Federal just purchased Remington ammo/reloading division. Federal also purchased the rights to the Remington logo, but did not purchase firearm division. Ruger purchased from Remington the Marlin lever action division. ETC.
Vista Outdoors is the company that purchased Remington ammo. It is now one of the many companies under their corporate umbrella including Federal, Speer, RCBS, Alliant powder, CCI, Hoppe's, Outers, etc.

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Tim DeMarais posted this 5 weeks ago

Roundhill Group Inc. owns Remington Firearms. The plant in Illion, NY was reopened May 10th. They rehired 230 employees and are starting with the 870 Shotgun line. There are plans to upgrade the plant and rehire more folks, but no news yet on when their rifles will be back in production.

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