Observations on .30-30 Case Stretch

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Wilderness posted this 4 weeks ago

I do not have an X-Die; I do have lots of .30-30 brass; and I don’t mind “using up” batches of cases. I do cull preemptively, and have not suffered a case separation in over 40 years.

The brass I am now using in my Savage Model 1899 .30-30 is Winchester headstamp, on its 12th reload. On its first reload the median length of resized cases was 2.030”, and on its 12th reload the median is 2.056”. Cases are sized in FLS die for shoulder headspacing. Case loss to date from “lost in the grass”, shoulder pinholes and preemptive case stretch culls is about 45%.

I check my cases for stretch visually from the outside, and by looking down into the case in sunlight. Most cases will show some stretch when the inside is viewed. This is a shadowy ring down near the web. Eventually this ring becomes more defined, but usually affects only part of the circumference of the case. This stretch becomes visible long before external signs appear, such as the crazed brass “incipient separation” ring. Then it becomes a matter of judgement as to when to cull.

What I have noticed more recently is that there are other signs of case stretch deriving from the uneven nature of near-web case stretching.

The first is that even with a modest load, the occasional case may be sticky to extract. If this is not noticed at the time, running the unsized empties through the rifle afterwards may find it. The tight spot is over the point of maximum stretch, and the tightness appears to be exacerbated by the case head being ever so slightly off square (due to the stretch), pushing the case against the chamber wall at the point of stretch.

The second indication of uneven stretch is that the case mouth may strike the expander plug as the case goes into the resizing die, or after resizing it may still strike the plug of the M Die.

Apart from the diagnostic value of these signs – one-off sticky extractions and case mouth hitting the expander plug – I wonder also if the out of square case heads might explain shots out of the group. In future I shall be noting carefully the POI of any paper shots associated with one-off sticky extraction.

The other problem with the one-off sticky extraction is if it is giving an erroneous indication of excessive pressure for the load as a whole.

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Eagleyes51 posted this 3 weeks ago

Wilderness, I've never been as technical as your efforts with the 30/30 and have never played to the extent you have obviously put in.  My journey with the 30/30 started in the 70s with a M94 and RCBS dies (FL and seating).  Used for pigs in thick stuff and on the motorbike.  I don't remember ever trimming to length, probably lost them in the long grass.  Sold the rifle, dies went in the cupboard.

About 2000 a few of us cast bullet types decided to shoot a match at the club, cast bullets, 100m for score, 25 shots.  I didn't really have anything to use but had recently given away military rifle shooting, so I re-barreled an Enfield No 4/2* with a 308W heavy Sportco barrel in 30/30.  It shot the RCBS 150SP and Lyman 311466 great and I won quite a few matches in the first 12 months. With the bolt action I bought a Lee collet die with the floating seater and it went great.  One lad wasn't happy about being beaten by a daggy old Lee Enfield and went the whole benchrest route in 30BR.  He turned in some incredible cast bullet shooting with it, but that caused the match to fizzle.

I started Lever Action Silhouette shooting with a M94 and hoped to use the collet die to size. Even with the mild loads I was using, 1800fps, fired cases would not chamber so I had to resize with the RCBS FLS die.  This was quite an effort on the press, particularly on the down stroke.  Necks were brushed inside with a graphite loaded mop.  Wave necks were the result, the mouth visibly longer on one size, requiring frequent trimming to square up the mouth.  Very boring.

I then bought a Redding Body Die.  This adds an extra step to the reloading regime but is well worth it.  The combined effort with the Body Die and the Collet Die is about half the effort to use the RCBS die.  Problem solved.

Anyone shooting small amounts of 30/30 would be well served with a FLS and Seating set, however for larger amounts of ammo the Body Die and Collet I would recommend.  Would be great for Lee to offer Body, Collet and Floating Die sets for competition shooters.

Cheers

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