My Casting System

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Wilderness posted this 4 weeks ago

This started off as a response to the thread on hot or cold casting, but the writing got out of hand and got me thinking more broadly about my casting system.

I would describe myself as a subsistence caster – I make a few hundred bullets a year for hunting and a few hundred more for a couple of rifle competitions, but I do care about quality, accuracy and effectiveness. My gear is pretty basic.

 The illustration shows my setup:

* Single element electric stove. Switch has numeric scale from "Off "through 4 to "Full" and a bit beyond, but no thermostat.

* Lead pot made by a friend using a tractor cylinder liner and a round steel offcut (with aluminium heat shield cut from a disposable barbecue tray). Capacity is 10 lbs.

* Lyman and Lee dippers.

* Lyman ingot mould.

* Large fruit juice tin for sprues and reject bullets; small tin for dross (transferred to screw top bottle when cold, and thence to scrap dealer for safe disposal).

* Folded towel to receive the bullets.

* Bullet mould.

* Large candle for fluxing material.

* Plastic mallet, pliers and vyce grips, plus screwdriver in case the sprue plate comes loose.

I used to have a Lyman lead thermometer but when it died I did not replace it. I also use my Lyman Ohaus 1005 gn powder scale to weigh a few bullets at the start if I think I’ll need to adjust the alloy.

Edit: I adjust the sprue plate so it is almost able to swing under its own weight. This allows it to lie flat against the mould under the weight of the dipper. I pour with dipper held against the sprue hole. I note the position of the screw slot so I can see when it comes loose, which invariably it does eventually.

My casting table is in a breezeway that runs through the house separating the living quarters from laundry, extra bathroom, etc. There is nearly always a nice breeze running through, which is a plus for casting.  I cast on cool days with some wind.

I am now down to just four single cavity and two double cavity steel moulds. Two of the singles are hollow point. I have also used aluminium and brass moulds but prefer steel.

The process begins with the alloy. I label my “lead” with the bullet weight obtained from a previous cast or a test cast. The soft material is labelled for #311008 and the hard stuff for #U321297HP, but I do have the relativities of my moulds worked out as well. For #311008 I am currently casting 116 gns and for #U321297HP I try for 170 gns.

Provided Sn % is less than Sb %, “non-lead %”, and hence bullet weight, is a good proxy for bullet hardness. The cast can be with predetermined alloy or with a mix calculated to give the required bullet weight. The weight of material in the pot is noted in case the bullet weight is off, requiring recalculation and alloy adjustment.

With everything in the pot, the stove is turned on to “Full”. The mould sits on the sprue tin with blocks in contact with the lead pot. The melt takes about 20 minutes.

Fluxing is with candle wax. When the lead is hot enough the liquid wax will self ignite, but until then the process is best started with a lighted match on the surface of the melt to ensure immediate ignition. Otherwise the smoke might attract the Fire Brigade. I hold the candle above the melt, apply a hot lead dipper to it so that melted wax drips on to the melt, and hold my nerve when it ignites. Then stir with the Lee dipper. Dross is skimmed (Lee dipper again) into the small tin, which is then set aside out of harm’s way.

The Lyman dipper is used to make the bullets. I leave it floating on the surface of the melt at the start of operations to bring it up to heat.

Mould warmup begins with pouring the first bullet. Front edge of the mould is then immersed in the melt. I picked up this trick from an article years ago by Ross Siefried and it is one of the more valuable things I have learned about bullet casting. A blob of lead forms on the mould edge and remains there until hot enough to fall off of its own accord. All the while the melt is getting hotter. Once the blob falls off, wipe the residual lead smearing from the mould with leather glove. Cut the sprue, dump the bullet in the sprue tin and cast another. With any luck, and with a clean mould, this will be a keeper. If not, dump and make the next one. I fully expect to be making good bullets right from the start.

I leave the pot on “Full” for a while as I make the first dozen or so bullets. If a weight check is required it can be on the last half dozen or so of this initial casting. If not, just keep going.

At first the sprue will set almost immediately, but as the metal and the mould heat, the sprue will take longer to set and will become smaller (from runoff). At this point I will turn the stove down slightly. There is now the risk of striking the sprue too soon and smearing lead across mould and sprue plate. If I am unsure of my sprue I tap it lightly with the mallet to check. From here on I use the stove settings to regulate how long I have to wait for my sprues to harden. I settle on an acceptable delay and keep the stove adjusted to hold that timing.

“Constructive time wasting” comes into the picture also – finding little jobs like putting a few sprues back into the pot or picking up lead spatters. With the HP moulds, drawing the HP pin seems to take just about the right amount of time to let the sprues harden.

I get cleaner sprue cutoff when I cut them just in time. If I leave them for a while, that’s when I get the lumpy sprues.

For each pour I clear a patch on top of the melt and dip from the clean metal.

A few rounded bases or other small faults are picked up as the mould is opened. I prefer to dump these in the sprue tin straight away – I figure I can make a new bullet in less time than I would later waste agonising over these “maybes”.

I like to keep a count on how many bullets I have made. I do this by dumping the newly cast bullets in the middle of the towel. Then when I have ten I put one aside for the count and push the others into the main pile. Somewhere around the 100 bullet mark I will again flux, and then by about 200 or 250 I will have had enough for the day.

I stand to cast, which limits my endurance, but I don’t fancy the risk of spilling molten lead in my lap.

The last casting task is to flux again and empty the pot into ingots. To avoid sputtering I put a dipper of melt into each cavity of the ingot mould to warm it, remelt the mini ingots, then pour for real. Pot is held by folded towel on the handle plus vyce grips on the wall of the pot. Gloved hands of course.

Bullets are checked visually with a magnifying glass. Loss may be as little as 5% or as much as 20% depending on the mould. Then I sort by weight. This also finds any extra lights or heavies (e.g. HP pin not right in).  Ingots are labelled with median bullet weight.

You are only as good as your library.

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Boschloper posted this 4 weeks ago

Wilderness:  Great food for thought. Enjoyed the read very much.  Is it much of a struggle to get the alloy adjusted to the bullet weight you want?  How do you decide if you need to add Sn or Sb?

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Wilderness posted this 4 weeks ago

Boschloper. Thanks for your response.

No, pretty simple to get the weights - e.g. for #U321297HP the objective is 170 gns, If I'm starting from scratch I will use range pickup hardball, which makes about 173 gns. Then I mix with Linotype, my version of which makes 164.7 gns. Do the sums and a 170 gn bullet requires one part of lino to 1.75 parts of hardball. One way to do the sums is to work off the 170 - lino is 5.3 gns too light. How much hardball ( 3 gns too heavy) is required to balance that 5.3? Divide 5.3 by 3 and you have 1.75 parts.

I can mix softer stuff with lino, but then I'd use more lino, which is usually regarded as the stuff not to waste.

For the most part I just accept the Sn:Sb ratios in my scrap, which are likely to follow the lino ratio anyway. I did recently drop a 6oz pewter beer mug into the hunting brew but knew beforehand that I would still have more Sb than Sn. I thought it would be a two step process getting to the weight since I didn't have a bullet weight for the pewter. I used the CB calculator to estimate Sn and Sb % plus "non-lead". I expected to be within a grain or two but actually landed on 169.5 gns - and kept casting. I posted the hog results on that one (it's under "Alloy & Metal"), and the reasoning behind it. The extra tin alloy - standardised to weight - came out the same on my friend's Lee tester as the hardball/lino blend - 16 BHN - so all was well.

For the softer alloys if I'm feeeling a bit dissatisfied about the casting I might drop in some solder, but still adjust to a weight.

You are only as good as your library.

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pat i posted this 4 weeks ago

Bill you're the poster boy for "this ain't rocket science". I'm impressed.

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RicinYakima posted this 4 weeks ago

That needs to be an article in the Fouling Shot!  Attention Glenn!

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Aaron posted this 4 weeks ago

Great read! Thanks for taking the time to craft it.

I stand up when casting too. It gives me more mobility and since I am higher than all the tools, there is less of a chance for me to knock something hot into my lap or spill molten alloy there as well.

 

 

With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.

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Premod70 posted this 4 weeks ago

If I missed it I apologize but I saw no mention of protective gear such as glasses, gloves or shields. I don't start the process without first dressing up in my safety gear.

Forrest Gump is my smarter brother.

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Lucky1 posted this 4 weeks ago

Funny you should mention that. Yesterday I was melting some lead pipe and when I went to push one in a little farther, it puked some hot lead splatters on the palm of my welding glove. No harm done but it does get your attention. Unfortunately I can't share the nice picture of a silver welding glove but it did reinforce why protective gear is really important. 

Scott Ingle

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Wilderness posted this 4 weeks ago

If I missed it I apologize but I saw no mention of protective gear such as glasses, gloves or shields. I don't start the process without first dressing up in my safety gear.

PM70 - You are right. I limited my already long description to just the casting bit, excluding personal attire and hygiene. Likewise, I stopped short of bullet processing and load development.

Separate post perhaps - now there's an invitation for you.

You are only as good as your library.

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Boschloper posted this 4 weeks ago

Yes…. Safety gear. Safety glasses with side shields.  No synthetic fabric. Cotton shirts (long sleeves), cotton pants, leather shoes and gloves. 

I have spent the past 40 plus years working in factories and have had 2 accidents that would have left me blind without the safety glasses.  

I once tried to pick up a warm piece of steel with what I thought was a cotton rag. The steel melted the synthetic rag which then stuck to my skin.

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Premod70 posted this 4 weeks ago

Believe I would write about precasting safety techniques but I am not the person with the qualifications to do so, too many burns and sadly more to come if I don't change my ways which is not likely at my geezer count.

Forrest Gump is my smarter brother.

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Aaron posted this 4 weeks ago

I wonder if that bullet is still hot?

 

With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.

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Aaron posted this 4 weeks ago

If one has lived 7 decades or more without a scar from a fight or accident of some kind, one has led an extremely sheltered and boring life. At least by older standards anyway.

 

With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.

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linoww posted this 4 weeks ago

I cast a bunch last night.My only  safety gear was  my glasses.i often cast in shorts and a t-shirt and  barefoot as it's warm un my casting area.I hate wearing gloves ( hand condoms)I enjoy  the little lead kisses while casting. 

"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!

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Capt45 posted this 4 weeks ago

I've felt there was something peculiar about you.134

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4060may posted this 4 weeks ago

you know that can of culled bullets been laying around for 2-3 years. Make sure there are no live primers in there

will cover the casting area with a nice silver coating

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RicinYakima posted this 4 weeks ago

I stopped counting stiches at 100, maybe 20 years ago. But then my working life was pretty "active". 

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Ed Harris posted this 4 weeks ago

Ric,

Do you set off metal detectors at the courthouse or airport?

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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RicinYakima posted this 4 weeks ago

Depends upon how sensitive they are set up. What few metal pieces left from RVN don't seem to matter much, but the 6/8 staples in my arm sometimes are an issue. The main problem is the titanium staples on my testicles from my vasectomy in 1976. 

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max503 posted this 4 weeks ago

 

Using the hot dipper to melt wax into the pot for fluxing is a good idea.  I hate cutting off chunks with a pocket knife.  

Where do they sell those sexy matches?  

 

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Wilderness posted this 4 weeks ago

Where do they sell those sexy matches? 

Far Western Pacific - "extra long safety matches", Redheads brand. Actually made in Sweden. Google will tell you more.

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