Hard Cast HP .30-30 Bullets shooting "twofers" on pigs

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Wilderness posted this 23 October 2025

This post concerns penetration of hard cast hollow point .30-30 bullets on pigs, as measured by success in killing multiple pigs with one shot. In the past week I have experienced five multiple kills, two planned, three fortuitous. These have demonstrated the penetration of cast hollow point bullets of the correct hardness.

My bullets are #U321297HP (yes, .32 Special) sized down from .322” to .312”. Alloy is about 16 BHN, achieved by diluting Linotype with Hardball, wheel weights or range scrap, with or without some extra tin. Hollow tapers from .114” to .075", extends half way down the bullet (0.5") and reduces a 180 gn solid bullet to 170 gns HP.

Velocity is 2200 fps.

Alloy and hence hardness is controlled by bullet weight. In this mould my linotype casts 164.5 gns while my weight of choice is 170 gns. I believe this to be about 11% non-lead (antimony and tin). Hollow point cast bullets at speed shed their noses, doing a great deal of damage in the process. Further length is ground off the bullet as it passes through the pig, but a solid slug remains which can penetrate a long way without the drag of a “mushroom” hanging off it.

If the hollow dimensions are satisfactory, the balance between destructiveness and penetration is a function of bullet hardness. Penetration can be increased by hardening the bullet, while being mindful of the need to maintain destructiveness for rib shots. My penetration criterion is that the bullet must pass through the shoulder of a big boar and into or through the opposing shoulder. By trial and error I have determined that this is achieved, with my mould and 2200 fps velocity, with a bullet weight of 170 gns plus or minus a grain.

This degree of penetration has also proved sufficient for “twofers” and even a “threefer”.

My shooting is for pest destruction, so all sizes of pig get the treatment, and the more the better. Semi-auto firearms are restricted, so results per shot matter. And no, I don’t eat the pigs, especially when they have been feeding on carrion.

The shooting described in this post was all at night, with no moon, at pigs coming to carcases. I am using the Oneleaf NV100 scope attachment on Leupold VXI 2-7 scope and Savage 99 .30-30 rifle. A feature of NV shooting is that when the shot is fired the world goes white, mainly from IR light reflected back from smoke. The pigs are therefore well on their way before a second shot is possible. This whiteout can last 2 or 3 seconds, or less if there is a strong crosswind. This is a very good reason to try for two or more pigs off one shot. As noted already I have in the past week had a run of “doubles”, both planned and unplanned.

The first was a shot at a grey weaner pig with a black sow behind him. When the smoke and chaos cleared I had TWO dead grey weaners and no sow. The second weaner was in perfect alignment but unseen. A few days later in daylight I found the sow dead about 100 meters away. Penetration through the weaners would have been about 20” and there was still enough left to do for the sow.

Image is the last frame of the video before the big white flash.

 

 

The next one was three doubles in one night, all fortuitous. The first shot was at a sow with a boar somewhere behind her but not in the calculations. The sow went down and a second shot at the running escapees got two weaners (again, about 20” of pig). I walked out in the dark to inspect and found a boar wandering about either lost or wounded. I fixed him up but didn’t get the chance in the dark to look for multiple bullet holes. He might (or might not) have been a double off the sow. The sow was in poor condition, so the bullet probably did about a foot through her. A while later the mob came back (!) and I shot a single then ANOTHER double on the weaners as they bolted.

The third engagement was intentional. I lined up on one sow and waited for another to wander into line. The first sow went straight down but the second was lost until I could make a return visit in daylight. She ended up just 60 meters away. These were both larger sows. The primary target was a rib shot, probably a bit over a foot through. The second was hit in the shoulder.

 

 

The game is not over yet. This mob is still to be trimmed, though the bait might give out first. We are well into the dry season so the pigs are hungry. I see from the video that they are also eating the pig carcases, which is not common behaviour locally.

 

 

 

Meanwhile, the hard cast hollow points are doing the job.

Images from the NV are a bit dodgy I’m sorry, but they’re good enough for shooting the pigs. Without parallex adjustment on the scope, focus is a compromise between image clarity and crosshair clarity.

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Lucky1 posted this 23 October 2025

Well done and excellent shooting. You certainly have this load doped out for your intended results.

Scott Ingle

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Aaron posted this 23 October 2025

Great read! Thanks.

With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.

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SkinnerD posted this 24 October 2025

Well done! Good info, again. Thks.

John - New Zealand

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Lucky1 posted this 04 November 2025

Wilderness, Just read an article that had a farmer in New So. Wales losing 99% of his lambs to feral hogs. I farm and this makes our coyote population in South Dakota look like absolute amateurs. Thankfully there are no hogs here yet but that may change. So keep up the good work and kill as many as you can.

Scott Ingle

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Wilderness posted this 04 November 2025

Yes Scott, I saw that article also. I detect some slackness in pest control there!

My folks had Merino sheep, and it was a given that if you didn't control the pigs you didn't get a lambing, or at least not much of a one.

The article claims that the losses are invisible because the lambs just disappear. Our experience was that pig predation was evidenced by the remains comprising the skin turned inside out with head and feet still attached.

Control of pigs included year round shooting. We always had a rifle with us, but now since the Demonisation of Firearms, a lot of people no longer have a rifle with them while they are out - leaving it in the vehicle while you do something else constitutes "not properly secured".

Then in the month or so before lambing we'd really get stuck into the pigs shooting and baiting. The boars, who were the worst offenders, travel a long way and seemed to turn up as if from nowhere in the weeks leading up to lambing. Our sheep dogs were all accomplished pig herders as well, so that helped, although they had difficulty pulling up the big boars. A lost dog could always be found by firing a shot - "I'm back. What am I missing?". Once lambing started we had to leave the ewes to it. Merino ewes are fickle and flighty and easily persuaded to abandon their lambs, so shooting in a lambing paddock would have caused more losses from disturbance.

At one stage, during a run of dry years, we had the pigs down to just about zero. A new generation of sheep dogs had to learn the trade all over again, and if you fired a shot they'd go home. After a while they got over it and it was business as usual again.

Shooting at night with a suppressor among lambing ewes, especially with non-Merino sheep, may be OK, and trapping has come a long way since our time. These fellows seem to do a bit of night shooting in lambing paddocks.

https://www.youtube.com/c/edgeoftheoutback

https://www.youtube.com/c/RJMHuntingAustralia

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Lucky1 posted this 05 November 2025

Wilderness- definitely glad you ahead of that predation curve. Especially compared to the guys in the article.
Shaggy dog stories. Enjoyed your descriptions on your sheepdog training. For the coyote problem here there are Great Pyrenees that are natural coyote killers. I'm out of the sheep business but sell a lot of hay to our local producers every year. When you show up for delivery and a Great Pyrenees lumbers out it's time for "good doggie, nice doggie" because they can be a bit antisocial. Being the size of a small pony doesn't help. Do you have the options of suppressors over there? It has become more common here to go with NV and suppressors on ARs for predator control to keep from disturbing the neighbors and the targets.

Scott Ingle

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Wilderness posted this 06 November 2025

Scott - it varies by state and of course requires licensing ($). Professionals can get them but I'm not sure about recreationals. Officialdom here is very suspicious of "silencers" and tends to view them as criminal accessories. So instead of the trendies getting the range accessory that can save everyone's hearing, the "must have" accessory at the range is a muzzle brake that makes life at the range an even greater hearing hazard. End of rant.

The sheep dogs were really good for pigs because they had the good sense not to get themselves ripped up, and because they could bail up a whole mob, not just a single pig. Our dogs were mostly Border Collies.

This fellow uses his Border Collies for pigs, plus as dog trapping assistants:

 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9ATEjHupi9HVZc_0T_vSFw

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Lucky1 posted this 06 November 2025

Thanks for the info Wilderness. That stigma on suppressors is common over here too. Luckily this state is more open than some but they were considered poacher weapons by Game and Fish. Feds are still more of a problem but they are being used here a little more. So. Dakota in this area is cow and sheep country so about every yard you go into has a Border Collie or a Blue healer. It's funny when someone has an outside party or BBQ around here and you watch the Border Collies trying to get everyone in a cohesive bunch. Their instincts just don't quit and I'm glad they are doing the job for you.

Scott Ingle

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Wilderness posted this 06 November 2025

Scott - way off the original topic, but our National broadcaster (ABC) did a couple of very popular series on working dogs, first the Border Collies, then the Kelpies.They were based on taking a litter of pups from a top breeder, matching and assigning them to their new owners, then having a trainer coach the owners through the accelerated training. The aim in each case was to have fully trained working dogs (sheep and cattle and in one case free range chickens) by 12 months. Dogs and owners were tested and scored at intervals and then all brought together for a final demo at 12 months.

The programs are really good general interest, not to mention the insight into dog training.

You would find them by Googling ABC Muster Dogs.

Just now I could use a pack of good Border Collies. My last hog engagement was of a mob of 50 hogs coming to a water hole at night. I got just three shots and only two pigs. I had decided beforehand that I needed to do a 100% scan of the mob with the NV and video for a proper census. Previous estimate was about 40.

I did the scan, then went looking for a big hog or a double. In the meantime, one began to take an interest in either the vehicle/blind or the IR light and began to approach, so I had to shoot him instead. Can't have them realising that vehicles and IR are trouble, and then telling the others.

They do have it worked out that hearing a shot means run like Hell. On the runners the first one changed direction as I fired, but the other ran true and copped it at about 150 meters, angle shot but not quite THS. Both went straight down. Another CB HP success but quite inadequate in the circumstances.

I think dingo (wild dog) predation is keeping the pigs mobbed up. It turns out to be an effective defence against shooting also.

Some of the mob:

 

The white boar in the middle would have been a good choice, though the spotted one behind him was the one I really wanted. This is actually the same mob as in the first image of the OP.

 

And the luckless whistleblower who copped it instead:

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Lucky1 posted this 07 November 2025

Wilderness- thanks for tip on muster dogs and enjoyed comparing terms for 2 cultures. Back to the photos you posted and the target rich environment there. Seeing that many hogs ar the waterhole begs for an alternative solution such as: A nice beltfed Vickers- not sure about cast but what the heck. Claymores for one stop shopping? Or a 12# mountain howitzer with some nicely cast grapeshot. I'm pretty sure your government won't like any of those alternatives but this is not sport hunting as far as I'm concerned if my animals were in jeopardy.

Scott Ingle

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