Handloading: A Declining Activity or Hobby

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Aaron posted this 3 weeks ago

A few days ago I performed a Cost Benefit Analysis (CBA) on the handloading of a 7.62x54R cartridge, typically with a jacketed factory bullet, but also with cast bullets. The result was an eye opening result which may explain (partially) why we are seeing a decline in, or the ultimate demise of the handloading experience.

To purchase the needed components for a complete 7.62x54R assembled cartridge, and having those components shipped together to take advantage of one shipping charge and one Hazmat fee, the cost per round works out to an unbelievable $2.27 per cartridge. This includes new bullets, brass, primers, powder, shipping, Hazmat, and taxes. Products are shipped to my door.

Subsequent loadings using already sourced and fired brass, reduce the cost per cartridge to $1.27 each. Using a cast bullet in the already sourced and fired brass drops the cost to a "paltry" $0.90 per cartridge.

If you look online at factory cartridges in this caliber, one can purchase brand new ammunition for $1.35 per round with PPU 150gr SP cartridges. Of course shipping will add to the cost BUT one also gets to reuse the brass for reloading, decreasing the extended cost (unrealized) by one dollar.

So I can make the ammunition for $1.27 or I can purchase it for $1.35 per cartridge. That math reveals no significant savings to me especially if I factor in time (labor) and power (electricity).

The cheapest ammunition on the market is surplus, berdan primed, steel cased, corrosive ammunition at $0.90 per round in $500 cases. This is not an option for me unless stockpiling for WWIII or a zombie apocalypse.

Shooting the cartridge with a cast bullet is the most economical approach (not counting labor and power) to take but does limit one to lower velocities and projectile types. Were it not for me viewing my handloading as my hobby, and good use of available time (retired now), I would be very attracted to the $1.35 cost of the commercial ammunition at $27 per box of 20 cartridges. After all, most purchasers are only purchasing a box or two for periodic use of the rifle at the range to "wow" their friends and family. Some may hunt with this cartridge but I doubt those numbers are very high.

Years ago when I first started handloading, the CBA on reloaded ammunition was distinctly wider between handloads and factory ammunition. While trying to recall what the data presented by the industry suppliers 45 years ago was, it seems that quotes for 38 Special went for 10 cents per cartridge versus 25 cents per cartridge. The often showcased examples were typically very popular target shooting and competitive cartridges like the 38 Special, 45 ACP, 9mm, and a few others like the .30-06 and the .308 Win. The handgun calibers were taunted for the price difference and the rifle calibers for the increased accuracy one could glean from handloads.

The initial cost of reloading equipment was less expensive than it is today and frankly, today's cost is astronomical and cost-prohibiting to all but the well heeled professionals. Well heeled professionals aren't worried about the cost of ammunition and I routinely see them at the range in their commando outfits, with $3000.00 black rifles, throwing 1000 rounds into the berm as fast as then can do it. Ammunition cost, equipment cost (now suppressors are the rage), and range fees are irrelevant to their "fun." 

These folks look at you like you are from Mars if you show them a handgun or rifle cartridge with a cast bullet or one with a paper jacket. They simply don't have the time for an explanation or any use for similar cartridges in their "combat" equipment. Holy cr*p, they even are wearing their "war belts" complete with helicopter signalling flares.

I know some of you are thinking "what about the xxx cartridge?" I understand. I load for some very weird calibers where factory ammunition is non-existent. Handloading is the ONLY option and so I continue to do so.

So in conclusion, I am continually surprised to see the cost of factory ammunition becoming lower than handloaded ammunition. If you shoot a 9mm pistol, you know what I mean. I hope our hobby, our craft, continues along but truthfully without young new blood becoming interested in what grandpa is doing in the shed, it is not long for the world. As we continue to see more "mass shootings" around the world, I fear for firearm ownership where it still exists.

Keep pulling the loading press arm, keep casting, and please make an effort to involve the yoots in the craft if the PC parents will allow it.

With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.

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Tom Acheson posted this 3 weeks ago

Aaron, First we need a compulsion to shoot. Then we need a goal…what will we shoot at? Steel silhouettes, paper targets, pop cans, etc. That defines our desired accuracy.

Then we must understand the capabilities of our gun, ammo and ourselves. If accuracy is in the formula, then can we purchase adequate ammo or not?

If the ammo can’t be purchased, we must make another decision….take the next steps to “make” accurate ammo and accept those associated costs OR reduce our expectations.

For some of us “making” ammo is either strictly required to accomplish our goal OR it eventually transitions into a hobby.

You are in the last part of the last sentence if you are reading/participating in this forum.

Tom

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Idahocaster posted this 3 weeks ago

Aaron, I haven't done the math like you have, but just looking at the how the cost of my consumables (powder and primers) had increased over the last five years your conclusions do not surprise me. Powder is at least twice what it was five years ago. Primers are almost three times as expensive as they were. I have a lot of brass, thank goodness, and all the reloading and casting equipment I will ever need. I was the kid watching grandpa in the shed 30 years ago and that is why I got into bullet casting and reloading in the first place.

Like you I consider this a hobby, and a good way to spend my time! But if I were new to it and someone was trying to sell me on the financial benefits of reloading, I would think they were crazy!

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Aaron posted this 3 weeks ago

The cost of consumables sure has gone up. Outpacing normal inflation rates significantly. The costs are well outside of the guardrails. It does not track with normal supply and demand models either.

With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.

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shootcast posted this 3 weeks ago

I was fortunate enough to gather free wheel weights when they were useable. Today if someone is interested ( LOL ) they have to purchase everything. Alloy included. Had I know that you could buy bulk I doubt I would have ever bothered to cast. After buying everything required to cast it seems more practical to just buy in bulk. Finding anyone outside our circle to join us isn’t practical. Yes there are or must be plenty of people who cast or there wouldn’t be so many companies major and custom out there. There wouldn’t be several websites devoted to this hobby. I doubt that the shooting program will ever see wide spread increases of shooters. It’s just too demanding for average newcomer. We are still trying to beat the jacketed organizations at there game. We aren’t generating interest at lower levels. When we compare apples to apples then we might see newcomers. Until we offer nothing is going to change. Hasn’t for 25+ years. That should tell us something.

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shootcast posted this 3 weeks ago

I was fortunate enough to gather free wheel weights when they were useable. Today if someone is interested ( LOL ) they have to purchase everything. Alloy included. Had I know that you could buy bulk I doubt I would have ever bothered to cast. After buying everything required to cast it seems more practical to just buy in bulk. Finding anyone outside our circle to join us isn’t practical. Yes there are or must be plenty of people who cast or there wouldn’t be so many companies major and custom out there. There wouldn’t be several websites devoted to this hobby. I doubt that the shooting program will ever see wide spread increases of shooters. It’s just too demanding for average newcomer. We are still trying to beat the jacketed organizations at there game. We aren’t generating interest at lower levels. When we compare apples to apples then we might see newcomers. Until we offer nothing is going to change. Hasn’t for 25+ years. That should tell us something.

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RicinYakima posted this 3 weeks ago

The key is to give your excess stuff to younger shooters, if they will use them. It is not the money issue, but time. Many young folks around here are working 48 hours a week to keep their heads above water. Then the distraction of the electronic drugs. 

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Aaron posted this 3 weeks ago

Very good points Richard. Thank you for that perspective showcasing positive aspects of our youth and the digital distractions of the time we live in. Case in point is that it’s 1:40 in the morning and here I am, digitally engaged. 😀

With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.

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JeffinNZ posted this 3 weeks ago

If handloading is declining part of the reason might be the new standards of accuracy in rifles and ammo.

When I started shooting 40 years ago, if you wanted an accurate (1 MOA) CF rifle you started with buying a factory rifle, taking it to the local gun 'plumber' and having the barrel floated and action bedded, probably a trigger job also.  Then you would handload ammo trying lots of combinations and on a good day geet 1 MOA.  

NOW we can buy a rifle off the rack new with a box of factory ammo and expect better than 1 MOA.  

New manufacturing capability and specifications are remarkable.  Hornady started it with the .17HMR and 6.5 Creedmoor taking all the slack out of chamber throats/leads.  

Young guys at my club can't understand why anyone would handload for hunting now.  They just don't know how it was.  

Cheers from New Zealand

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max503 posted this 3 weeks ago

Cost has never been a factor in my decision to handload.  

 

Reloading is a reward unto itself.  It provides a sense of accomplishment and an opportunity to learn new things.

 

Why else did I used to do things like stop and pick up wheel weights during my bicycle rides?  (Back when they were lead.)

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Wm Cook posted this 3 weeks ago

Jeff’s right about “over the counter” accuracy of rifles these days.

Jacketed Benchrest competition came about back in the 60’s & 70’s, when 2 MOA was the norm. A lot could be done to improve accuracy on rifles back then. Jump forward to the 21st century and jacketed BR became an arms race with who could afford the most barrels trying to find the 3 in ten barrels that could agg .030” better than the guys shooting on benches on either side of you.

Cast bullet BR took me back to the 60’s, 70’s level of accuracy when jacketed BR competition started. When I started shooting cast for accuracy the +2.000” groups I was getting was sobering.

With cast accuracy and the need to sort out the mold, the right bullet to bore fit, the right powder, and then do the load development has been very satisfying. The enjoyment of shooting subsequent sub 1” 10 shot groups is very rewarding. It dots all my i’s & T’s.

The only reason I shoot is to hand load so that I can shoot to hand load for accuracy. Try & say the three times real fast.

I grew up on a farm. Before I reached my teens I was dragging my dad’s bench vice out in the yard so I could clamp our .22 into it so I could see if I could get all shots to go into the same hole. Don’t laugh. Hitting a squirrel cutting hickory nuts or pot shooting ducks on the pond was tough with iron sights. Other than school, the only responsibilities I had was to help out on the farm, hunt, fish and trap.

My grandkids are growing up in medium sized cities. They spent this summer going to taekwondo, baseball, soccer, art classes etc. their parents spend their time working or ferrying them around. I used to walk out the door of our farm house and never ever left the yard without a 22 in my hands. The only time the grandkids handle firearms is if I gather them up and drive 45 minutes to the club to let them shoot steel. My children do not have time to reload. My grandkids barely have time to even shoot.

Estate sales are another indicator. In our club, members help out the family’s of other members that have passed by trying to get them some $ for the members hand loading equipment. Right now I’m helping the family of one member who had a number of children, grandkids. Firearms, are common in all of their households but none of the kids have time to hand load. You can barely give away some of the hand loading equipment. Families can’t even identify what they have.

Cast equipment is another whole level of mystery for the families. I’m 76 and I’ve helped enough families out that I would hope that I’m smart enough to whittle down my “I’ll use” from my “I’ll never use” stuff so my family isn’t dealing with a half a pickup truck’s full of “what the heck is this”. Not to mention the scores of open, sample pounds of powder I and probably all of you have on our shelf’s.

Some mentioned the outrageous cost of material and we all agreed with that. I bought five bricks of primers for $300 and an 8lb jug of I4227 for another $330. Those were screaming deals considering the price I’ve been seeing the past year. But Linotype is at $40 a bar! I know that’s gone up because of Antimony and China’s export restrictions but gosh, it’s like adding a scoop of terrible on top of a bowl of bad. So I’m becoming more of a minimalist these days. Keep them in the 10 ring while you can. Thanks, Bill Cook.

As a side note. It’s been 31 years since I last bought & shot a centerfire cartridge. It’s safe to say I’ve owned more firearms than the number of over the counter centerfire cartridges I’ve shot. Love hand loading for accuracy.

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Aaron posted this 3 weeks ago

 Great post Bill !! Those were the days. Spot on with the observations.

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BJung posted this 3 weeks ago

The apple doesn't fall from the tree, so the saying goes and I acquired a lot of my father's habits. He loved fishing, used the most basic fishing gear and caught fish. Friends would fish with new Penn Reals out of the box.. and my dad still out fished them.

My first rifle was a Lee Enfield which was later scoped. The cost of ammo was more and the selection less at the store. Handloading enabled me to print groups the size of a nickel at 100 yards. Good enough for hunting for me and better than a new Remington rifle that costs more. Then I noticed the other militaria rifles like the Swedish M96 and the Swiss K31. The quality of the machine was a bargain. Finding ammo was hard but not with handloading. And, I got the accuracy as well.

I like to keep my shooting costs down so bullet casting was a no brainer, especially when I discovered powder painting. I get free lead so, besides my time, my bullets are free. Yes, I get free powder paint too. OK, electricity for the oven costs money.

My nephew bought a Ruger American. I was surprised how accurate it was with his factory ammo. Yet, I still like my old guns. It's too bad they are so expensive now. It's harder for the young shooters to get into the sport and hobby like us. This besides this new generation tinkers less than the old generation. 

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sluggo posted this 3 weeks ago

I think handloading still has it's good points. I started out handloading as a slave laborer with my cousin for my dad and uncle. Then when I got older it was for economic reasons. When I got even older it was used in search of accuracy. When I got even older it was to shoot firearms that I thought were cool when I was younger. I still handload. I figure come the revolution the young'ins will keep me around and feed me because I can still earn my keep. Yes I had a couple beers tonite.

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Tom Acheson posted this 3 weeks ago

Need to add to my earlier post. In 1977 my dad talked me into joining him and his (7) friends for their annual Mule Deer hunting trip to Wyoming.

The next year before the trip, my dad (again) talked me into helping him for hand-loading the ammunition for the Wyoming trip. All hunters used a .30-06, (7) of the (8) Remington 700’s and (1) old Winch. Model 70. The recipe was the same for all guns….Winch primers, random head stamp cases, 150-grain spire point jacketed bullet and IMR 4895 powder. My dad did all of the hand loading for the group.

These guys were not accuracy freaks but they were meat hunters and loved venison! All loaded ammo was stored in a box and during the hunt, you took the number of rounds that you wanted. So cartridge OAL was checked for suitability in all of the rifles.

Those annual reloading sessions got me interested in hand loading for my revolver.

The motivation for the Wyoming rifle ammunition hand loading? Cost. It was frequently pointed out to me that the hand loads were less expensive than factory products.

In 1981 my dad passed and in 1982 I was “promoted” to hand loader in chief for the group, which I still do.

Tom

FWIW

Tom

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Aaron posted this 3 weeks ago

Great follow up Tom. I hope the group continues on for many more decades!

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John Alexander posted this 3 weeks ago

This has been an interesting, but somewhat depressing, thread. Nobody likes to see one of their favorite things dying. And the days when kids like Bill Cook, I, and many others were roaming the midwestern woods with our 22s. may be gone for almost all of today's kids.

However, when I pick up a shooter supply catalog I see page after page of all sorts of reloading equipment and do-dads to do all sorts of operations ( many that are useless refinements that really don't improve reloaded ammunition).  Several firms are paying for advertising this things and seem to be thriving.

Somebody out there must be getting into loading and even a few into casting.

John

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muley posted this 3 weeks ago

quite a few are reloading and casting, but are not interested in the bench rest end of the shooting.

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RicinYakima posted this 3 weeks ago

There are a half dozen in my area, but are pistol shooters jumping through windows and crawling through tires. Match announcments tell you to bring at least 250 rounds. 

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[email protected] posted this 2 weeks ago

I've been reloading since 1978 and casting since Sierra Bullets for my 44 mag went up in price to over $10.00 per box. Can you imagine such pricey bullets? Today I collect, reload and cast for my old military rifles, many of which are single shot black powder cartridge rifles. I used to go into Joe's gun shop to buy reloading equipment and supplies. Today there are not enough of us left to keep a business like Joe's in stock with those supplies. I even remember lead furnaces being in stock. Today the only suppliers that can financially maintain that kind of inventory are the dozen or so on line companies with national exposure. Even my gun collection does not have a local market (Remington Rolling Blocks in 43 Spanish don't compare to the latest 5000 round per minute AR). I have advised my family to sell my collection, reloading equipment, casting equipment, books, everything through one of the online auction houses on gunbroker to maximize the customer base. It's what the world is coming to and like you, I hate it.

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Bryan Austin posted this 2 weeks ago

Aaron, First we need a compulsion to shoot. Then we need a goal…what will we shoot at? Steel silhouettes, paper targets, pop cans, etc. That defines our desired accuracy. Then we must understand the capabilities of our gun, ammo and ourselves. If accuracy is in the formula, then can we purchase adequate ammo or not? If the ammo can’t be purchased, we must make another decision….take the next steps to “make” accurate ammo and accept those associated costs OR reduce our expectations. For some of us “making” ammo is either strictly required to accomplish our goal OR it eventually transitions into a hobby. You are in the last part of the last sentence if you are reading/participating in this forum. Tom

 

BINGO!

I never could understand when folks posts their interests, other folks come on and say that should not be your interests, rather you should have my interests!!

Because of the cost, or lack of component availability...I have all but stopped handloading for all but one cartridge. It is the cartridge that has my desired interests. 

As a matter of fact, I am beginning to sell off what I no longer use or need.

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