Discontinued Powders Sold By Hodgdon

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Aaron posted this 24 November 2024

I have read several comments regarding discontinued powders sold through Hodgdon. Opinions vary as to the actual status of their continued availability. This afternoon I discovered that by using the Hodgdon Load Data service and selecting ONLY the cartridge and the bullet weight, one can hit the "get load data button" and the results returned will show all the powders with associated loads. To the very right of the list is the powder status of "Buy Now", "Out of Stock, or "Discontinued". That may help you decide if you wish to use H-4227 to develop load data. If you have it, use it up cause that's all there will be unless you find it in some obscure location or at an estate sale.

Here is the returned data for the 32 H&R Mag with a 85gr bullet.

 

With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.

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RicinYakima posted this 25 November 2024

When there new web site came up, I asked about the "discontinued" label, as some haven't be made in over 10 years. They replied that many reloaders still had these powders, so they would provide data for a few more years. 

If there is anything you like, write it down as it will disappear at some point. All electronic data is only temporary. 

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Aaron posted this 25 November 2024

Thanks Richard. I’m good with all that data. I was just trying to show that there is a comprehensive list of discontinued powders if you know how to manipulate their web page search engine on their site. Thanks for the offer of assistance, but I’m good. Take care. Have a good evening.

With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.

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RicinYakima posted this 25 November 2024

My pet peeve is that people will not write information down, they expect it to be on the "net" forever and for free. Hoping that folks that read your post will save the information they need. 

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Aaron posted this 25 November 2024

I sure hope nobody relies solely on the internet for load data content. When I discover good load data online, I first physically PRINT the data on paper, then add it to my PC folder created specifically for that purpose. I backup that data on a regular schedule. I am keenly aware of digital data loss and make every effort to prevent that. HOWEVER.....like music over the decades, hardware and software change. I can no longer run ballistic apps first loaded on DOS machines or those running Windows 6.

Hence a LIBRARY of printed manuals and printouts of data from the internet. So much for the paperless society huh? I won't rely on web page stability. They vanish faster than Thanksgiving turkey stuffing as site owners relinquish IP locations and service providers. Your own internet access is temporary too. It's monthly access isn't it? Hence my library of printed manuals from the past decades, and printouts from vendors like Hodgdon.

I am fortunate also to have decades of manuals in the library as well as printouts of primary loading sources from the past. What a treat it is to see how load data has changed over the years as powders come and powders go. I find that load data online is severely limited in scope. In other words, a manufacturer lists 12 loads for the powder. Period. Or the newer powders listed loads do not list your caliber when you know for sure it would work. Oh well. These are the times we live in.

Your comment that states "people will not write information down, they expect it to be on the "net" forever and for free." is spot on and prescient. Folks should take heed of that and print data they need before it dissolves. And for sure, folks should expect programs like QuickLOAD, ballistic apps and programs, and others reliant on specific operating systems to disappear over time too. All of my Sierra ballistic apps are no longer usable since they will no longer load or run on my current PC. Newer PC's, laptop machines, and tablets do not even have the hardware required to utilize 9" floppies, 3" compact floppies, CD's, or external devices with older USB connections.

As I age and as I see my older digital hardware and software fall into disuse due to obsolescence, I am more inclined to disconnect from the internet and its associated digital data venues. I always have my load manuals and printouts to be used when I retreat to the mountains and build my shed. :-)

Sage advice Richard.

With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.

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linoww posted this 25 November 2024

i don't think I've ever relied on load data from internet sources. That's why I have 30 loading manuals of various years. On some I've borrowed I've copied the pages I needed.Its much easier to have hard copies to compare than a digital screen to me. Maybe the younger generation can do it , but it doesn't work for my old stubborn $%^&.

"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!

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sluggo posted this 25 November 2024

File cabinets are making a comeback.

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Aaron posted this 25 November 2024

i don't think I've ever relied on load data from internet sources. That's why I have 30 loading manuals of various years. On some I've borrowed I've copied the pages I needed.Its much easier to have hard copies to compare than a digital screen to me. Maybe the younger generation can do it , but it doesn't work for my old stubborn $%^&.

For sure. I use my manuals first, then bounce them off the manufacturers data online like Hodgdon. Or I download the Mfg load data sheets like with Shooters World powders. I NEVER use Billy Bob's online load data. Just received the Lyman 51st Edition Reloading Handbook today. Yup I have the 50th manual but that one is over 10 years old. Keep current right?

When I read articles by respected gun writers, I bounce their data off a manual too. Cross reference and double check. Still have 10 fingers and two Mark1 eyeballs.

I have had to thin the manuals herd though. The thinned ones are boxed up in the shed. These I still use. Why two accurate manuals? I made notes in the darn book, then got another copy somehow and made notes in it too. What a dope.

 

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linoww posted this 26 November 2024

Billy Bob has reliable data I'll let you know.He says it's safe to go 20% over published data because lawyers make powder companies underload for liability purchases . And I trust his data.Why would a guy with two missing fingers and a missing eye lie to me at a gun show...

"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!

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sluggo posted this 26 November 2024

I think the H4227 powder is the same or very close to IMR4227. I am not positive on this. There was some at a store near me yesterday.

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Aaron posted this 26 November 2024

I think the H4227 powder is the same or very close to IMR4227. I am not positive on this. There was some at a store near me yesterday.

Thanks for the post Mike. I was using 4227 as an example, I don't really need any data for it. Some folks use it a lot however. They are, effectively, the same as you suspect. Makes sense that when "duplicate" powders get pulled in under one umbrella, one or both go away in lieu of other propellants. Such is business and production.

Boy! Can you believe the prices on powder now?

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linoww posted this 28 November 2024

suspect that the popular(in demand) powders doubled in price while the less popular didn't go up as much.

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