Cancelled gun show

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Tom Acheson posted this 14 March 2020

Our annual local gun show for this weekend was cancelled, by our “Governor” to include all events with more than (250) attendees, right at the moment set-up was starting. Feel bad for the show sponsors who had set-up all the tables earlier in the week. Also heard that the very large annual early April Tulsa gun show was cancelled.

Dug out some old stats...

In 2009 the Swine Flu was here.   In America....   60-million infected 300,000 hospitalized Almost 18,000 deaths   And our illustrious, unbiased, neutral, honest media didn’t behave they way they are today....with much smaller numbers. There’s a reason for that behavior.


Tom

 

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Bud Hyett posted this 14 March 2020

The Washington Arms Collectors Show in Monroe is canceled with the notation many future shows in Monroe and Puyallup may be cancelled. I have not been a regular attendee as I once was since there is nothing more in rifles or handguns that I wish to purchase. (I hate to say that.)

A Canadian medical firm says they have a vaccination (serum) to test. The serum has been successful in test on animals. The next step is to offer it as an investigational drug to patients to study the effect in humans. I've already participated in one study for a cancer drug to bring it to market. It failed to show any better ability that the present offerings and was withdrawn.. This serum was developed in part with 3-D computer graphics, we've come a long way. 

There are now people being cured. This is a form of pneumonia in that the lungs develop fibrosis and fill with liquid. If detected early, the people are easily treated and cured.

There is a simple test to see if you lungs have fibrosis by holding your breath for thirty seconds . If you cannot hold your breath that long, call your doctor.

None of this is being reported in the news. You're right, there is a reason for this behavior. 

Farm boy from Illinois, living in the magical Pacific Northwest

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tony1960 posted this 14 March 2020

Plus what they aren't telling people is that this virus can stay active on hard surfaces, bench tops, steel surfaces, windows etc for up to 9 days. You haven't got to be sneezed on, if you pick up a can of food off a supermarket shelf that someone else has touched who may have it, there is a distinct possibility you now have it.

Any vaccination that they are testing on animals, and it seems that ferrets are the chosen host, could be up to 18 months before it makes human trials.

 

The bottom line is keep cleaning hands, if you feel the need to wear a mask, and I would recommend for those over 70 or immunocomprimised make sure it;s a P2 the others are a waste of time.

 

If anyone wants more info please PM me with their email address and I will send some info that I have from work. Cleaning agents we all have will kill this but the media is more interested in hype. Well they are here in Aus anyhow.

 

cheers

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cbshtr posted this 14 March 2020

I was suppose to go to a 3 hour gun law seminar today put on by US LawShield. Of course it was postponed. There are others in the area over the next few weeks but I'm sure they'll be cancelled as well. Living in NJ I try to keep up with the latest since our politicians will do anything, legal or not, to make owning a gun a miserable experience. I already had to damage three handgun magazines in order to make them 10 round compliant. I went in a few stores today and it's like madness has set in. The shelves were empty of essentials. I wasn't shopping because of the hype but just to replenish what we typically use. I know you have to be cautious about good hygiene but as mentioned earlier the media is over doing it and is causing a restless situation when it's not needed.

Robert Homan

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Tom Acheson posted this 14 March 2020

One reason the media is hyper is because it gives them (undeserved) attention. Many of them long ago forgot where the news article pages and the editorial pages start and stop. This opens another door for them...use the pandemic issue as a political tool.

I always liked keeping an eye on the Masters every spring but not this year. I can live without the major pro sports but think of all of the jobs that are impacted by this. Just have to wait it out. This is the 19th version of a coronavirus. Didn’t know there had been so many.

I don’t usually say this.....come on warmer weather!

Tom

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JeffinNZ posted this 14 March 2020

Banning gatherings of more than 500 because you can't get the virus with 499 other people but just add one more soul and you are in trouble.....................

Cheers from New Zealand

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Bohica793 posted this 14 March 2020

It's like nuclear fission - requires critical mass.

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beltfed posted this 15 March 2020

ALSO, The April  Central Wisconsin Gun Collectors Show in Fond du Lac has just been cancelled

beltfed/arnie

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joeb33050 posted this 15 March 2020

One reason the media is hyper is because it gives them (undeserved) attention. Many of them long ago forgot where the news article pages and the editorial pages start and stop. This opens another door for them...use the pandemic issue as a political tool.

It's space aliens, Tom; they've taken over tv and papers and radio. If you want the truth, listen to Rush, watch Fox, and read the NY post. The pandemic hoax was started by Hilary Clinton and Sanders; nobody's sick and nobody's died, anywhere, of anything, since January 2016. Get ready to buy stocks early tomorrow.

 

 

I always liked keeping an eye on the Masters every spring but not this year. I can live without the major pro sports but think of all of the jobs that are impacted by this. Just have to wait it out. This is the 19th version of a coronavirus. Didn’t know there had been so many.

I don’t usually say this.....come on warmer weather!

Tom

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tony1960 posted this 16 March 2020

Just in case you were particularly interested. Unfortunately I work in this field. Tom, those hot months are better for you, hot and dry.

 

Human coronaviruses can remain infectious on inanimate surfaces at room temperature for up to 9 days. At a temperature
of 30C or more the duration of persistence is shorter.Surface disinfection with 0.1% sodium hypochlorite or 62-71% ethanol significantly reduces coronavirus infectivity on surfaces within 1 min exposure time. We expect a similar effect against the SARS-CoV-2.

Most data were described with the endemic human coronavirus strain (HCoV-) 229E. On different types of materials it
can remain infectious for from 2 hours up to 9 days. A higher temperature such as 30C or 40 C reduced the duration of
persistence of highly pathogenic MERS-CoV, TGEV and MHV.
However, at 4C persistence of TGEV and MHV can be increased to  28 days. Few comparative data obtained with SARS-CoV
indicate that persistence was longer with higher inocula. In addition it was shown at room temperature that
HCoV-229E persists better at 50% compared to 30% relative humidity

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Tom Acheson posted this 16 March 2020

Tony,

My wish for warmer weather is two-fold......help fight the virus and get out to shoot! Light snow falling right now, overcast and 31 degrees. 

Your info is interesting and helpful, thank you.

Tom

 

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OU812 posted this 16 March 2020

All the snakes are going under ground. You must cut the head off evil to kill it.

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John Alexander posted this 17 March 2020

Thank you Tony.  The long life of CV-19 on a surface is surprising and partially explains why it is killing off most of the geezers in some parts of Italy.

Since the average age of our CBA members is somewhat over 30, if CV-19 takes off it will not be a good thing or many of us.

Let's all hope that all the fuss turns out to be somewhat of an overreaction and it doesn't get out of control before we get drugs to control it.  In the meantime I am going to avoid crowds.

John

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RicinYakima posted this 17 March 2020

John,

I find this flu thing very interesting. The 14 day will stop you from spreading if you are infected, but as soon as you walk out the door you are at risk. Us old folks need to reduce our risks by staying away from anyone under 70 that has seen anyone else for 4 days. Have my internet friends, books and guns to clean so happy for at least a month. FWIW p.s. old fashion soap is your friend

Ric

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John Alexander posted this 17 March 2020

I think you are right about soap. Probably better than hand sanitizers.  My mother used to make laundry soap out to lye and grease. It was a dangerous looking shade of yellow and would usually not take all the skin off.  It would make chiggers run for cover when you got back from berrying.  I'll bet it would take care of virus.

John

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RicinYakima posted this 17 March 2020

You're right, John. These corona and SARS virus bodies have a membrane that the soap easily breaks down plus the ones they don't kill are lifted off the skin. Alcohol at 70% kills most, but the ones it doesn't it leaves on the skin. Wife and I are on day three of sheltering in place, getting a lot of yard work done, and case preparation for reloading. Ric

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Brodie posted this 18 March 2020

Viruses do not have a cell membrane.  They do have a protein coat covering the RNA  or DNA that is inserted into the host cell to replicate the virus. 

Forget filters, any filter fine enough to stop the virus wouldn't let in enough air for you to breath.  Measuring viruses in microns is like measuring bullet diameters in yards.  Viruses are usually only a few nano meters across.  To give you an idea of how small a nano meter is the period of the wavelength of silver light is about 800  to 1000 nano-meters long, gold is about 1200, viruses are 8 to 50 nm.

 

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B.E.Brickey

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mashburn posted this 19 March 2020

Hello John,

I didn't know you were a country boy. You're talking about things that I grew up around in my formative years. I can remember my Mother washing clothes on a rub board with lye soap. Then we got modern, even got a washing machine but we still hauled washing machine water from the creek because the well wouldn't supply enough water for the farm animals, the family and the washing machine Yes, the washing machine was on the back porch and yes, one of my sisters got her hand caught in the wringer.

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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RicinYakima posted this 19 March 2020

Sounds just like KY to me! laughing

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John Alexander posted this 19 March 2020

Mashburn,

The scene of my early crimes was Indiana and we must have had a better well but no electricity so it was run by a small gasoline engine that unlike modern versions often didn't want to start.

John

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RicinYakima posted this 19 March 2020

The one my mon had, had a foot lever that you stepped on to make it turn over. She was really happy when my older brother got heavy enough  to jump on the foot starter.

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