C-H Pistol dies, school me please

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SkinnerD posted this 10 July 2025

I have come by a set of C-H Pistol Dies in 44-40. They're kind of different and I'd appreciate guidance from someone who uses them - or perhaps a scan of original instructions.

It appears the process is first to run a case into the Sizer Die. This is threaded in the top like the other two dies but has no stem in it. Not sure if perhaps it is designed to also take a decapping stem.

The Pistol No. 3 Die has a decapping stem and a sizing button like a rifle Die does. The button has an outward flared lip at the top so this has to be an expander button and depth determines how much case mouth flare you get..like say a Lee or Dillon Powder Die funnel does. This one is quite aggressive. Easy to destroy a case..yup.

The difficult one is the Bullet Seater and Crimp Die. Seating a .430 FP cast bullet, the actual seating stem can't be engaged before the crimp function pushes the bullet into the case. At least how I'm using it which must be wrong.

With any other brand of die, basically you wind the die down onto a case, Ram fully up, until you touch the mouth. Place a bullet on the case mouth, run it up into the die, then progressively wind the seating stem down until the bullet is seated to the correct depth. Back the seating stem off, wind the die a bit further down to commence the crimp. When the desired amount of crimp is obtained, lock the die and bring the seating stem down onto the bullet to index it. Then merrily seat and crimp the rest of the batch.

But with the C-H, if you set the die onto the case mouth, seating stem backed right off, then place a bullet on the case and run it up into the die, the die seats the bullet. Adjust for crimp by winding the die in a little and I get a very mild crimp, a straightening of the case mouth really but it also continues to seat the bullet. I have to stop or the bullet is seated way too far. The Seating stem has not been used. What am I doing wrong?

John - New Zealand

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delmarskid posted this 10 July 2025

I had C-H dies for the 32-20 and what you describe is basically what I remember. One thing that I do recommend is that all cases need to be very close to the same length. This seemed to help with the case crushing at crimping. Yes the case expander and decapping die is touchy. I don’t remember having a problem with the seating die. I loaded for a Smith and Wesson so I know I made a good roll crimp. You’ll get it figured out.

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 10 July 2025

sounds like .... the sizer die is just a tad tight at the bullet guiding area ... maybe for best alignment for a jacketed bullet ...

might have to enlarge to fit your desired cast bullet with the old ... sandpaper on a split stick/power drill ...   polishing trick ...

first try a jacketed bullet to see if the above might be the situation ...

ken

oh, usually works better if you seat only first, then adjust die and run them all through again to crimp ...

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RicinYakima posted this 10 July 2025

Those are an old set of dies made for the C&H 333 "H" press. 

You adjust the seating stem first, then hold it and lower to the crimp stage. They were most likely made for jacketed .427" bullets. 

 

HTH

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SkinnerD posted this 10 July 2025

Hi Ken, yes you hit the mark. I dug out an old Norma jacketed bullet with a flat nose soft point which mics at .430 and it seats and crimps perfectly. 

The previous bullet was a factory powder coated cast bullet, a Spartan (Australian), 200gn FP which mics very close to .430

So, the choices are to size my cast bullets down slightly or to ream the die.  I will be trying the former first and if they shoot ok then that's the solution.

I have to say the dies do make a very nice round with the jacketed bullet and it's a very solid crimp. Here's a photo, disregard the longitudinal scratch lines on the case, these were used cases I bought scratches included. They reload and shoot fine tho,...

 

Norma Jacketed bullet, seated and crimped

and here are some pics of the dies

C-H 44-40 die set

The Expander Decapping Die with plunger stem removed, a sized and expanded die and my first attempt at seating and crimping where the bullet could not quite get past the crimp ring which in fact seated it. The crimp effect was enough to close the case mouth up but not really a strong enough crimp. The bullet is the Spartan, a cast powder coated FP that mics at a tad under .431

 

finally, C-H came back to me with the only set of die instructions they have which is for a 2 Die Rifle set. May be of use to someone else. I can send this as an email, can't find how to insert it here. PM me if you would like a copy. Or go to C-H.

 

 

John - New Zealand

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