Bullets get heavier as casting progresses

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Wilderness posted this 15 August 2024

My alloy control method is to go on bullet weight. My ingots are all labelled with the average weight of the last bullets I cast from them. The leftovers from each casting session become labelled ingots. Before casting, I mix as necessary to get the required weight. For my #U321297HP mould, which is the subject of this post, my objective is a bullet as close as possible to 170 grains.

In the past I have noticed that my bullets tend to be just a whisker heavier than indicated on the ingots, which I have put down to some minor loss of tin and/or antimony from the alloy with each melt. This does not bother me, and I cover for it by calculating for a slightly lighter bullet.

My latest project has been to brew up about 10 lbs of alloy equating roughly to Lyman #2. Yesterday I set out to use it up. Bullet was #U321297HP. This time I actually measured the bullet weight difference between sequential casts.

Setup is a 10 lb + pot, electric stove top, Lyman dipper, and SC Lyman mould.

I did the cast in two sessions. After the first session, I culled some bullets on appearance. Then I weighed and sorted the survivors into 0.1 gn intervals, culling the lights. Keepers (175) were 169.7 to 170.2 gns, average weight 169.97 gns.

After returning the culls to the pot, remelting and fluxing, I ran a second cast and applied the same culling criteria. Keepers (123) were 169.9 gns to 170.3 gns, average 170.14 gns.

Conveniently, a 1% difference in bullet weight for a 170 gn bullet is achieved by about a 1% variation in SN/Sb content. For the 170 gn bullet therefore, the difference of 0.17 gns represents about 0.17% combined Sn & Sb out of a total of 10% or so. This is a pretty small deal in relative terms.

You are only as good as your library.

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OU812 posted this 15 August 2024

Dirt or specs of lead can get caught between mould halves preventing mould from closing completely. This will cause heavier bullets as you cast.

Take this comment with a grain of salt since I have not cast a bullet or discharged a firearm in about 2 years

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Hornet posted this 15 August 2024

The high end of the weight distribution on both batches is about the same but it looks like you had more light ones on the first batch. It is possible that you started keeping visually good ones on the first batch that might have had the mold a little cooler or something. This can still give a visually perfect bullet that weighs just a few tenths of a grain less. I have found examples of this to measure POSSIBLY a shade smaller ( a couple ten-thousandths) but the difference is very small. This usually happens on bullets early in a casting run and the first couple on a resumption if I needed a potty break or something and don't pitch the first 6 or so back in the melt. Not usually much difference but it does get annoying on weight sorting heavier weight bullets. Don't know if it makes any difference in actual group sizes. 

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Wilderness posted this 16 August 2024

The post was intended as an observation of a normal happening rather than a cry for help.

Here are the numbers in each weight group, if it helps:

First Cast:                      Second Cast:

170.3      na                    18

170.2      10                    45

170.1      27                    38

170.0      75                    16

169.9      42                      9

169.8      11                    na

169.7      10                    na

Below these weights the "groups" were just 1 or 2 bullets each, which went into the culls.

Note that between casts there was a complete cool down of everything, and a restart of the second cast from ingots made of leftovers from the first cast plus culls from the first cast.

You are only as good as your library.

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beltfed posted this 22 August 2024

Wilderness,

One thing yo could do to gain more info is to

lay out your bullets in a row as you cast, and then weigh /record the weights in the order cast .

Make notes on such things as when you flux during the run, or other interuption of your 

Regular Casting Routine.

You can still sort by weight as you have done. 

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BJung posted this 28 August 2024

I've never set my cast bullets aside to examine whether the weight increases as I continue to cast. The speed I cast seems maintain the temperature as I don't notice frosting on bullets as I continue to cast. Most of the impurities in the lead are removed from the initial ingot casting. Molten lead is stirred, and the slag removed from the top. Then, not all of the lead is poured into the ingot mold.

I've noticed that not all mold cavities are the same. Some will drop a heavier bullet than another. And so, for my 2-Cavity MP Molds, I cast each hollow point cavity with a different pin and my dropped bullet weights are more consistent. I separate my Lee gang mold bullets by weight and the mold will cast a 2:2:1 ratio of bullet weights. 

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Brodie posted this 30 August 2024

You also want to ensure the bullets have cooled completely before being weighed.  A hot bullet on the weighing pan will give you a lightweight.  The convection currents of the air around the hot object will lift the pan slightly, giving you a falsely light weight. 

B.E.Brickey

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