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Aaron posted this 31 March 2025

Having covered and set aside a loading block of primed 308 cases a few weeks ago, I decided to load them today to complete the loading process. I don't normally leave cases in this condition either on the loading bench or in plastic bags awaiting completion.Today when commencing work on these cases, I removed the paper towel covering them in the loading block and positioned the cases in an area prior to charging them with powder. At this point I noticed one of the cases was darker than the other 49 cases. You can clearly see the affected case below.

What in the world is that I questioned? Investigation revealed a desiccated Lady Bug lying in the bottom of the case. Not a spent or live primer, not another foreign object in the case - a Lady Bug.

I mention this since over the years I have read accounts of aberrant cartridges causing damage to firearms due to excessive pressure. Guesses as to the causative factors usually  settle on a double charge or excessive propellant charge in the case. I have long since wondered if something else may be the culprit like a biological cause nesting in the cases if left out on the loading bench. In my shed, the dang Lady Bugs are almost always present and they get everywhere! Those B-52 size flies are present and usually die on the bench behind the cleaning fluid. Wasps and bumble bees have also run me around the shed screaming like a little girl.

I did have a de-capped primer land in a case one time during the loading process so I know it's possible for other foreign material to find its way into a case and alter case volume. I would argue here that a case inspection before charging is always a good suggestion, as is looking into the cases after charging to identify any cases containing a larger charge of propellant. Bottom line here is that stuff, including biologic entities CAN get into your cases, even if covered. Darn bugs!

I would also like to point out that when casting the other day, I got sweaty and almost dripped sweat from my forehead onto the baking sheet I was cutting the  sprues onto. I have often wondered if some of the reported steam explosions have been the result of sweat balls on the cut sprues being put back into the melt. BOOM.

Anyway.....watch out for the darn Lady Bugs and spiders getting into your cases.

What have you discovered in your cases?

 

With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.

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linoww posted this 31 March 2025

I was loading 308 I two weeks back with new primed brass and a powder charge looked rather high.A  loaded CCI Minimag was in the case! 

I can't imagine what would have happened 

"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!

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Carl Pegg posted this 01 April 2025

Those darn lady bugs get into everything!!! We had them so bad here one fall that they got into my old Lincoln buzzbox welder and packed the fan motor so full I thought it had seized up and then I smelled them a few seconds into the 60 cycle hum of the non spinning motor. That odor they emit when they are stressed is something else entirely. One flew into my wife's ice water once and she reports they taste just like they smell. 

But, my worst story of a biological contamination of my reloading "stuff" was caused by pantry moths that hatched out of a bag of sunflower seed for bird feed. Pantry moths, also known as Indian meal moths, are tiny little moths that fly around and mate, lay eggs, then hatch into a small maggot-like larva that eats meal or seed and then they spin a silk cocoon and morph into a moth and start the cycle all over. Well, they lay those eggs in any nook, cranny, or hole they can get into,,,including plastic tote boxes full of brass. The neck of a .223 case was no obstacle for them. Lots and lots of cases with a silk cocoon in there! I tried tumbling and that didn't get them all, but a q-tip will. I even had one in the drop tube of my powder measure, now that could have been bad because the tube wasn't completely blocked but it was enough that it could have bridged some powder in the tube. Now all of my brass is in plastic bags in those boxes, and I don't bring bird seed into the shop anymore. But hey, on the plus side my brass is now cleaner than it has ever been (or ever will be again) and sorted like never before, and I now know that my tumbler actually still works! I really wish I had taken pictures of this event as a cautionary tale to all of you fine folks.

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RicinYakima posted this 01 April 2025

Here we have box elder bugs, and that is an issue. 

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Wilderness posted this 01 April 2025

Aaron & Others ....

I have adopted a policy of not putting powder in a case unless the case was neck down immediately before charging.

That means leaving unprimed or primed cases in the loading block neck down.

This might have excluded your Lady Bug.

In my case it gives me some insurance against double charging when using those little 5 and 10 grain loads.

This is not an original idea. I recall Larry Gibson suggesting it. That may even be where I picked it up from.

A variation of this practice is to fit the case to the powder funnel, neck down of course, while I weigh the charge.

As an aside, I have taken to throwing charges with the Redding measure, then weigh and adjust/reject/accept - catches quite a few light charges of Unique, Red Dot etc, and takes very little extra time.

You are only as good as your library.

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Aaron posted this 01 April 2025

I was loading 308 I two weeks back with new primed brass and a powder charge looked rather high.A  loaded CCI Minimag was in the case!

You and the wife getting along OK?

With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.

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Glenn R. Latham posted this 01 April 2025

Some years ago I was loading a block of pistol cases (don't recall if they were 38 or 44) and as I was checking the powder level in the cases, the powder in one of them started moving, and a tiny beetle crawled up on top of the powder.

Glenn

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Eutectic posted this 01 April 2025

I stopped charging in a loading block years ago after I caught a double charged case.

Now the powder measure is on the press. Primed cases come out of the bin get examined, charged, powder level examined and bullet seated. Awhile back I picked up a case turned it over and a fired 22 LR fell out. I have no idea where it came from.

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RicinYakima posted this 01 April 2025

We have a fair amount of beetles and spiders here in the desert, so even in a sealed container, you have to check for biologicals. Especially in the spring if they had been stored in an out building over winter. 

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Aaron posted this 01 April 2025

Apparently bugs and 22's are our nemesis. That may certainly explain some anomalies when firing cases with foreign objects in them.

 

With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.

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beemer posted this 02 April 2025

We have a lot of stink bugs here, they can't get in most rifle cases but have found some in shotgun hulls and 45 cases.  If you pick one up that's been laying outside you are liable to find most any kind of critter.

Even got into one of the main electrical breakers in the box outside. Didn't hurt anything till I turned it off, when I flipped it back on things went crazy. Guy at the electrical supply sent it back to the manufacturer and gave me a new one. Ended up gluing a piece of screen over the vent hole.

They got in my heat gun too, that was kind of interesting.

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Tom Acheson posted this 02 April 2025

Still “winter like” here in Minnesota. Snowed again overnight.

But, I can be at my loading bench and….click…a Box Elder bugs falls onto the bench top. This past week (4) of them showed up. Last winter I found one in a .40-70 case (in a loading block) that I felt glad to have discovered. Why are they showing up this time of year? Who knows!

Tom

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Aaron posted this 02 April 2025

Well I never thought this would be an infestation of Biblical proportions!  sealed

 

 

With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.

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Millelacs posted this 02 April 2025

..          But, I can be at my loading bench and….click…a Box Elder  bugs falls onto
.          the bench top. This past week (4) of them showed up. Last winter I found
.          one in a .40-70 case (in a loading block) that I felt glad to have discovered.
.          Why are they showing up this time of year? Who knows!

But much better than if one of those pesky box elder bugs lands on your hand, or the top of your favorite beverage can as you're lifting it to take a drink.

Robert

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Tom Acheson posted this 02 April 2025

Every now and then I treat myself to a Brandy Manhattan. Once a small amount in a glass was left sitting out overnight. The next AM there was a Box Elder floating in it. It must have died an exotic death!

Doesn’t help to have two really old Box Elder trees in our back yard. On the South and North Dakota plains you often see wind breaks planted by farmers with twisty, painful looking Box Elders. Might be all that species is good for!

Tom

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delmarskid posted this 02 April 2025

I had a mosquito or gnat move into my ear when I was about six years old. It took about two days for it to croak. I about went nuts listening to it in there. Little s o b must have been looking for the Northwest Passage or something.

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max503 posted this 17 April 2025

Next time put some olive oil in your ear to drown it. 

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