astigmatisim II

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Ross Smith posted this 15 December 2020

The astigmatism thread was interesting. I have it, and was wondering if it affected my aiming. I use mostly scopes. My reading on the internet was only about the condition and not about shooting. 

I hope I can phrase this correctly: If you have astigmatism is what you are aiming at actually in that place? Where the cross hairs are pointed, is that where the bullseye is? Or does the correction in your glasses compensate for any error in perceived vs actual location? However small that is. Also if you change your head position does the aiming point also change? Our corrective lenses put the center point of our prescription in the center of the lens and we (me) actually aim through a peripheral part of the lens closer to our nose. How about with a peep sight? A friend of mine cannot hit a duck with his glasses on and slays them just fine sans glasses.

I already know I have more trouble with floaters, always have.

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Dale53 posted this 15 December 2020

Ross;

I cannot directly answer your question. However, I can tell you how to check it. Put a target up at your preferred distance (at least 25 yards up to and including 100 yards). I like a benchrest target that uses a heavy square target so that you get a perfect location at the corner of the square.

Use sand bags and set up your scoped revolver so that it is exactly on point of aim without touching the set up. Then get behind the pistol, and move your head around while looking through the scope. If the crosshairs move, then you have a potential problem. If the crosshairs stay on target and you can see the crosshairs and target clearly and the crosshairs stay on target you do NOT have a problem.

FWIW

Dale53

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RicinYakima posted this 15 December 2020

The astigmatism thread was interesting. I have it, and was wondering if it affected my aiming. I use mostly scopes. My reading on the internet was only about the condition and not about shooting. I am not a doctor, but as explained to me.

I hope I can phrase this correctly: If you have astigmatism is what you are aiming at actually in that place? Depends upon which eye is dominant and which eye you are aiming with. Where the cross hairs are pointed, is that where the bullseye is? It is if you are sighting with the dominant eye.   Or does the correction in your glasses compensate for any error in perceived vs actual location? Your glasses will if you use both eyes and have the right spot on the lens. However small that is. Also if you change your head position does the aiming point also change? Yes. Our corrective lenses put the center point of our prescription in the center of the lens and we (me) actually aim through a peripheral part of the lens closer to our nose. How about with a peep sight? Same thing, which eye is being used.  A friend of mine cannot hit a duck with his glasses on and slays them just fine sans glasses. Dominate eye is seeing and brain blocks out off eye. That is why he can hit.

I already know I have more trouble with floaters, always have.

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John Alexander posted this 15 December 2020

"The astigmatism thread was interesting. I have it, and was wondering if it affected my aiming. "

Thanks Ross.  I don't think I have astigmatism but nobody knows.  i now have a great new alibi for when I've used up my standard ones. 

John

 

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Ross Smith posted this 22 December 2020

I tried wiggling my head around while sighting thru a scope. The cross hairs moved all over the place but I think it was the cheap scope and not me. There was also distortion around the edges.

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Bud Hyett posted this 23 December 2020

If you have astigmatism is what you are aiming at actually in that place?  Too many factors to assign this to one item; parallax is the most common item, the quality of the scope, alignment of the scope to the bore centerline, etc.

Where the cross hairs are pointed, is that where the bullseye is? - Not necessarily. If your eye is in the center of the scope and the scope is adjusted for parallax at that range, you are looking straight at the target.

Or does the correction in your glasses compensate for any error in perceived vs actual location? However small this is. -  No. See the note at the bottom.

Also if you change your head position does the aiming point also change? - if you are not centered and the scope is not adjusted for parallax at that range, you are moving off-target when you move your head.

Our corrective lenses put the center point of our prescription in the center of the lens and we (me) actually aim through a peripheral part of the lens closer to our nose. - Yes, I've just had an eye exam with an ophthalmologist and we discussed this at length. I have two prescriptions' for glasses, shooting and normal reading. The shooting glasses prescription is focused on the front sight, where your concentration should be. I've had cataract surgery and can see everything well beyond one foot in front of me.

How about with a peep sight? - Same as the scope. you concentrate on the front sight. In a scope, you concentrate on the crosshairs. Put a scoped rifle solidly on a bench with 100 and 200 yard targets, then look critically at the crosshairs and the target. Each will appear slightly fuzzy when concentrating on the other. Seeing the target is so much easier in a scope, shooters forget to look at the crosshairs. 

A friend of mine cannot hit a duck with his glasses on and slays them just fine sans glasses. - Ric is correct, eye dominance.  I am left-handed, but right eye dominant; I shoot right handed.

I already know I have more trouble with floaters, always have. - Common problem in people, starting in middle age. Alice has such a problem that she cannot shoot a dot scope, she gets confused. She has a Weaver T-36 with crosshairs that are thick enough to not lose in the clutter.

Note #1: I've tried Aviator style glasses before thinking the deeper glass will have clearer vision when the head is tilted, but this did not work. I now have the biggest frame with the deepest lens in "normal" glass frames. The partition on the bifocal is low, set to allow my eye to look at the scope or the irons, the lower part is narrow to allow reading the scope turrets adjusting for range. I'm adjusting the scope height in the rings and stock to where my head is more erect and the eye more centered. For benchrest competition, this is easy to do. For prairie dog shooting, this is not feasible since I shoot mostly Ruger #1's with their factory stocks.

Note #2: An easy way to sight a scope without parallax adjustment is to cut a center hole in a target paster, stick it on the objective and look through the small hole. Did this often with Weaver K4 and K6 scopes.

Note #3: While the scope price is an indication of quality, you can work with and understand the limitations of the scope you are using. All scopes get fuzzy on the edge, the more expensive scopes have a much smaller fuzzy ring. {I love the external adjustment and Redfield 3200 scopes. They have their challenges.)

Farm boy from Illinois, living in the magical Pacific Northwest

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RicinYakima posted this 23 December 2020

Thanks Bud, very rational explanation.

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Ross Smith posted this 23 December 2020

Fantastic answer, thanks Bud.

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ALYMAN#1 posted this 24 December 2020

One thing that helped me with open sights after cataract surgery where I had to use reading glasses for them was to get the bifocal lens for my right dominant eye inverted and moved to the upper left corner of the frame opening so I could see thru the bifocal for aiming.  This has served well for quite a while.  The optical shop suggested this for me and I jumped on it.

Hope this helps.

Al

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Squid Boy posted this 24 December 2020

Interesting thread. I had a shooting partner that shot with the old straight line bifocals. He told me he held the line at the top of the sights and cold see them and the targets. This was pistol silhouette and he shot a Ruger in 357 Max and nothing but cast bullets. It obviously worked as he won several NJ Championships as a non-resident like that. Squid

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