A Shot in the Dark

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Wilderness posted this 24 April 2025

I have posted a number of images of pigs shot at night and descriptions of results. This has been on the assumption that some of the more adventurous cast bullet shooters might like to know what works on real flesh and blood. The issues covered have been hollow point versus solid, bullet hardness, and shot placement, all from a full power .30-30 perspective. These posts are now mostly under “Hunting with cast bullets”.

Pigs are most active at night, especially if they are being harassed, so that can be a good time to hunt them.

All recent shooting has been with a scope sighted Savage 99 .30-30, using 2200 fps 175 gn hard hollow point cast bullet loads.

My night time shooting has been based on pigs coming to water, or to stock feed such as molasses, but mostly to carcases. Occasionally pigs will turn up in daylight or at last light, and may still be there at first light. My experience since deploying game cameras however has been that pigs will most commonly arrive from about an hour after last light, and be gone at least an hour before first light. Visits to water or to a fresh carcase may last only a few minutes. Visits to a suitably fermented carcase or to livestock feed may last for hours, with pigs asleep on the ground beside the bait. Initial visits to a carcase will be to investigate the smell or to vacuum up maggots, which takes just a few minutes. Once the carcase breaks, gut contents hit the menu, then salami, and finally more insects from the soil around what remains. Occasionally, pigs may visit in daylight, providing more useful images for compositions like this.

Initially I did my shooting with a light attached to the rifle. Seeing the pig arrive was a job for binoculars – quite effective if there is any sort of moon, but problematic on a dark night. With the vehicle out of sight I would set up in a camp chair perhaps 30 meters from the bait, positioned across the wind to keep my scent away from the expected line of approach, and with some sort of cover to provide protection from an escape rush. This worked well on moonlit nights, but on a moonless night the pig may not be seen until quite close. Indeed, on a moonless night the first indication of a pig being present may be the startled grunt behind the chair.

Pigs move constantly, and an apparently good presentation can turn bad before the light comes on. Or the pig might take fright at the light and offer at best a running shot. On a moonlit night this can be avoided for close shots by shooting without the light. The cross hairs will be invisible, but the pig will be well defined. Putting him in the middle of the scope will usually do the job, though he’s likely to make a run after the shot. I have shot boars as far away as 60 paces with this method, although most were much closer. Remarkably, I never missed one.

A later solution to the light shy pigs was to rig the baits with cheap solar powered security lights. After a while the pigs got used to the lights flashing on and off and came to ignore both the security lights and subsequently also the spotlight.

 

 

Then came the Oneleaf NV100 clip on device (US$300). This goes on the back of my Leupold VX1 scope when needed. The NV100 solved the dark nights problem, and the light-shy pigs problem. I am now able to take my time and wait for the right shot, or even a double.

Edit: An important feature of the NV device is the built in video camera. Runners are a fact of life with night shooting, and they don't have to go far to be lost in the dark. Video playback can confirm straight away that the aim was good.

Using the NV I can also set up further back, with my 4WD as the “blind”. Preferred distance is about 70 meters. I can put some camo net on the vehicle, as in the image, if there’s a moon, but otherwise I don’t bother. Pigs may see the vehicle as just another piece of temporarily parked farm machinery. In any case a white vehicle among trees with white trunks, white termite mounds, and white cattle is not out of place. I suspect also that my being in an enclosed vehicle is a better proposition for scent control than being out in the open – and I don’t have to worry about being run over by a fleeing pig.

 

 

 

Disadvantages of the NV are a small field of view, partly from compounding NV and scope magnification, bad reflection back from intervening vegetation, and a complete whiteout when the shot is fired. A second shot is seldom possible.

Now when I find a carcase, I set it up with a game camera and a solar powered security light. I also I make sure I have a weed free path for the shot. The purpose of the light has changed. I set it on low, brightening when something arrives. That’s my cue if I have not seen the hog already. The wires above the light are to discourage birds from using the pole as a perch.

 

 

 

Typically I check the camera on the second or third night post mortem. If things are really active it may be worth camping out for the night. Pigs can come from a long way for a carcase – far enough away not to hear the shot that killed an earlier arrival. The interval between arrivals can be as little as an hour. At one site last year I shot six hogs in succession by waiting right through. New arrivals appear unconcerned by the bodies of their predecessors.

The living unconcerned by the dead:

 

 

 

Depending on patronage, a carcase might be useful for a few days to a few weeks, though if attendees are numerous I try to defend the bait by shooting as many as possible as soon as possible.

Tech solutions not yet adopted include thermal scope, cell camera (reception is patchy), battery powered baby monitor (arrival alert on dark nights), and a drone to find the bodies in the morning.

The end point:

 

 

 

 

 

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Aaron posted this 24 April 2025

Great read. Thanks!

With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.

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linoww posted this 24 April 2025

back in the 1970's and  1980's feral hogs were pretty common on ranches in Northern California. I did most of my hunting chasing these things.it was great fun but the population of the true feral hogs were decimated once hunting mags showcased the hunts and people paid landowners to hunt them.all that's left now is ones released on ranches for pay to play guys.

 

this is one I shot in about 1987.A Calico hog

 

 

"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!

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RicinYakima posted this 24 April 2025

yep, just domesticated pigs. 

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Tom Acheson posted this 24 April 2025

I’ve shot hundreds,if not more, pigs (javelinas). They were steel, all @ 100-meters, standing and hairless, using an iron sighted revolver and CB’s!

Tom

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Wm Cook posted this 25 April 2025

Bill, you don't know how much I appreciate your hog hunting threads.  I've had dreams of shooting hogs since the late 90's.  It was about then that stories starting to filter through about the abundance of hogs down in Texas and in the deep south where hogs were there for the taking.  Around 2000 the need to shoot a hog was greater than I could tolerate.  So my son and I took a trip down to the Ozarks to a "ranch" that offered a pay to shoot hunt.  At the time I had a Marlin 336 and the RCBS 200 gr flat point mold that I used for deer hunting.  So off we went to southern Missouri to shoot some "hogs".

Things started out fine.  We saw three huge one's running across the way but it was 3x too far and there were 10x too many trees between us and pork sausage.  After about an hour or so things started to look a little fishy.  All we saw after the initial skittish three big ones was small buggers (<120lbs) and they looked a lot like what we butchered down on the farm.  When the "guide" told us the European hunters (hunters from Indiana) actually preferred them that size cause they tasted better.  He was probably right about that but my vision of a 400lb+ hog and what I was seeing was a disconnect.  

And then, I swear to heaven, he took us to the honey hole.  There were four huge hog feeders within 30 feet of each other and there were probably about 30 hogs from 30 to 120lbs walking around us.  The "guide" threw up his hands and said "Take your pick".  I'm dim witted for the most part but even I could figure out that this is not exactly what hog hunting was supposed to look like.  So we bowed out of the commitment and headed home without the dream being fulfilled.  So you can say that what Bill's experiences and what I encountered was about as far away as any two experiences could possibly be.

My involvement with hogs goes back 75 years.   Every year we had a gathering of family and friends from the farms around us to butcher 2 or 3 hogs.  For a little farm kid it was better than the circus coming to town.  Things kicked off with shooting the hogs with the farm .22 Winchester pump rifle (62A?) around 7 and things kicked off from there.  I remember my mother boiling off the blood for the blood sausage, the shaving of the hogs before cutting, the kettle meat, the cracklings, cleaning the intestines for the sausage casing, even seasoning the sausage.  The latter was done by my grandfather.  Yep, raw pork sausage and I was in awe as he adjusted the salt and pepper.  He'd taste it, then I'd taste it. Throw in a few more handfuls of salt, mix it up and sample again.  Eventually it went into the sausage press and we had our sausage for the year.  The smoke house was busy for a few weeks.  Good times for sure.

On the farm another of the annual rituals was de-nutting.  Rough road there.  Muscle, a single edge razor blade and a cup of used oil were the only tools.  I remember one year when we only got one of the two on a hog and had to go back when he was close to 100 lbs.  Woo wee, it was a hoot to get that last one off him.  

From your earlier post I gather you don't eat much of what you shoot.  And unless the boars were neutered they weren't worth eating.  SoI though You'd appreciate a snippet of what I just read on line yesterday regarding invasive species and their nutritional value.

"Surprisingly, wild boar is some of the best-tasting invasive meat you can get. They are also some of the most popular invasive species to hunt. Feral hog hunting is encouraged in many states, so you're not just getting a good meal, you're doing your duty as a conservationist.The animal has a leaner and richer flavor than store-bought pork. Wild boars can be cooked in everything from smoked barbecue chili to burgers, tacos and even pasta. Grind it for burger meat, braise it for tacos, or go above and beyond and create a wild boar ragu over your pasta"

So I guess that 500lb boar that I was looking to shoot back 25 years ago would have made some pretty good roast huh? laughing

By the way; in Missouri its illegal to shoot them. The Department of Conservation doesn't want them to become gun shy.  That way it's easier for them to trap and take out an entire group.  A pack can really tear up the woods. Thanks for the thread and keep em coming.  Bill Cook.

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Wilderness posted this 26 April 2025

Thanks Bill - nice to be appreciated.

I very nearly took this post back down since the connection to cast bullets was so tenuous.

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Wm Cook posted this 26 April 2025

And did I get that right, that you do not eat any of the pork. Not even the young sows.

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Wilderness posted this 26 April 2025

Not a wild pork eater - don't fancy their carrion eating habits mostly. Also some disease issues with butchering them.

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barra posted this 28 April 2025

Thanks for the post wilderness.
Glad you are having success with cast and all the new tech available.

 

 

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linoww posted this 28 April 2025

When I hunted feral hogs when there was a good acorn crop it was some of the best pork I'd eaten.In  dry years they were lean and tough.

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Wilderness posted this 28 April 2025

Thanks Bruce - no tech involved here, and in broad daylight.

I got this one Sunday morning while checking out post-wet season track conditions.

Savage .30-30 again, 175 gn hard HP bullet (sized down #U321297HP), 34 gns LeveRevolution for 2300 fps. Bullet went in about the point of the shoulder (little blood spot above the rear scope ring) and got lost somewhere in the length of the dog. No exit that I could see. Instant wipeout of course. I suspect much better than jacketed.

Terrible image from the Nokia dumb phone - definitely need better tech there.

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Boschloper posted this 29 April 2025

Wilderness:  What kind of dog is that?  Looks about the size of our coyotes but with much shorter hair and less coloration.  My experience shooting them with jacketed .30-06 is you usually get a pretty spectacular exit wound.

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Wilderness posted this 29 April 2025

What kind of dog is that?

Australian native wild dog (Dingo). Most are a paler red colour with white tail tip. Some, like this one have some black in them (maybe genetic pollution). And some can even be black and tan, or nearly white. Definitely shorter coat than Coyote and perhaps lighter in the body. Big feet and long legs. This was a bitch.

Front-on shot kept the bullet in the dog.

 

 

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