I finally got notice that this new system is in stock at FS Reloading, but not in all calibers. I just ordered the trimmer and dies for .308 Win and .223 Rem. I should have the stuff in less than a week.
If you are not familiar with this nifty setup, here is a video:
Here is the source I ordered from:
Quick trim dies:
Gary
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Very nice, and I suspect that I will have to try it out. At the moment, I am using a RCBS deburring tool and a set of Lee Precision Cutters.
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You can have a look at the instructions for the tool. Here is a link to a PDF file from the Lee site with picture illustrated instructions:
The instructions also give a good idea of how the tool works.
I think that the set repeatable precise amount of chamfering will enhance accuracy particularly for cast bullets that are crimped by eliminating variance in case wall thickness of the bevel at the case mouth and standardizing the inside and outside chamfer amount. This could be a group tightener for crimped cast bullet loads that no other tool offers.
Gary
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Thanks, they just sold another deluxe trimmer and dies for .223 and .308. .30-06 must be sold out already?
Dale M. Lock
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Clod Hopper: Yes, plus they will be adding to the list of dies, I'm sure. Since my order, the .500 S&W is now in stock. I would have gotten that along with 30-06 and 7.62X39 , now it will wait ill my next order. Hope you enjoy yours. This revolutionary new tool should do well for Lee once loaders realize what it does. When the tool was being developed, they stalled due to a need to figure out a means to collect the shavings. They worked that out very well and immediately went into production.
Gary
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Well, I'm sure that the new product is a very innovative tool. But . . . I've been using the ( now older ) LEE case trimmers for about 30 years & really have no reason to simply discard perfectly good tools in lieu of a new innovation. LEE has done nothing but impress me with the quality of their products and I applaud the invention of their new case trimmers but I am perfectly content with the LEE trimmers that I have. It would be a waste of money for me to retool.
Pat
If someone else had of done to me what I did to myself . . . I'd have killed him. Humility is an asset. Heh - heh.
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Hi Gary,
nice interesting post. I take your point that the ram ensures uniformity of cutting depth once the cutter's set.
Does is chamfer the outside as well?
I'l love to see a history written of Lee. I like the way they tend to think out side of the box in their innovations. I got started in reloading with a Lee Loader and couldn't (and still can't) get over the idea that you can load decent rounds with something so small and (seemingly) simple.
Engineering at its most eloquent.
You have probably all seen the YouTube video of Richard Lee using his invention. If not I've attempted to paste in the link. In this he reloads a round in 40 seconds.
My first attempts with a Lee Loader in 303 British got my groups down from 4” to 2” at 100 yards. I was pretty well sold at that point!
cheers and thanks
James
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You asked about outside chamfer.
Refer to the link above, to the instruction sheet from Lee . My tool came today! and it is impressive.
The rotary length cutter blade has a slot with 3 additional separate blades in the slot: one blade inside chamfers for all sizes and the second and third blades in the slot outside shamfer for small and large size cases. The three blades each have their own independent springs and self select by case size. The tool trims, inside chamfers and outside chamfers simultaneously. So it does all three steps at once..quite a unique engineering feat. Look at the parts drawings on the instructions.
Gary
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!, above the cutter drawing you can see the 3 springs drawn that fit concentrically in the cutter head.</p>
<p>Don't get disjointed, but if you have anything else for precise trimming, inside, and outside chamfer, even your expensive stuff has just been obsoleted by Lee. For .17 to 50 Cal. in selected cartridges. This is easier, quicker and has more uniform chamfers important to cast bullet shooters than the most costly electric setup in my opinion.</p>
<p> After adjusting, put the shell in the holder on your press, raise the ram to contact the die, take 5 turns and you are done with adjustable regulated trimming, regulated inside and outside chamfer for a match quality job eliminating some old variables in chamfer that are now gone.</p>
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I don't see Lee going into neck turning tools, tools for that operation are a tiny section of an already horizontal market. Everybody loading should be trimming and chamfering. They are in business to make a profit and I believe they make good market decisions.
Gary
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Always like to see another inexpensive functional Lee product come out. How long before someone figures out how to motorize this?
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Actually I feel motorizing would be beyond the law of diminishing returns with this tool; it already does 3 specific operations in 5 turns.
Gary
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My .223 die is backordered. FS is holding the order until they can fill it. I am not home anyway.
Dale M. Lock
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Well, I'm sure that the new product is a very innovative tool. But . . . I've been using the ( now older ) LEE case trimmers for about 30 years & really have no reason to simply discard perfectly good tools in lieu of a new innovation.
LEE has done nothing but impress me with the quality of their products and I applaud the invention of their new case trimmers but I am perfectly content with the LEE trimmers that I have. It would be a waste of money for me to retool.
Pat My exact thought. I have also been using the (now older) Lee case trimmer system and I can't see anything being any faster or more convient. Just looking at the picture of the new trimmer it looks a lot more expensive also. I have case trimmers for every caliber I load and I keep them in the appropreate reloading die box for each one.
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I have used the older Lee trimmers for 30 years also and understand your opinion. My new Quick Trim stuff is actually going to end up with my Grandson that is getting started in reloading, but I haven't given it to him yet. I'm playing, and I like it!
The new Quick Trim actually is a lot faster than the old Lee setup and faster than even the Lee Zip Trim or the Lee trimmer chucked in a drill by a great margin. This is particularly so because when using the older setups the three operations of trimming to length, inside chamfer then outside chamfer were separate operations and required you to hold each tool separately and operate them in 3 separate steps.
The new Quick Trim does that all at once without changing tools in hand.
I hope loaders begin to understand how the parts in the Quick Trim work and take advantage of this efficient and accurate tool.
I also have a Forster Brothers trimmer with a full line of accessories and the new Lee Quick Trim is greatly faster to set-up and use for trimming. The Forster chamfer methods are very crude and irregular with separate steps compared to the precise Lee Quick Trim that does it all at once.
Inside neck reaming with the Forster when I shot .221 Fireball was a great feature of the Forster and the Lee Quick Trim won't ream necks to a new caliber after forming brass. However, without any personal need to mess with .221 anymore, My expensive Forster stuff is obsolete to me and the Lee Quick Trim does it all.
Gary
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The Quick Trim from Lee does look and feel expensive but it is not. The deluxe cutter assembly with handle is $16.00, replacement cutter heads with blades are about half that if you happen to wear it out, the handle just transfers to a new cutter assembly. A die for one caliber is $8.78. The Quick Trim works with your own press and your own shell holders. These prices are from FS Reloading and lower prices than Lee MSRP prices.
Gary
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I ordered a deluxe trimmer, a .223 die and a .308 die two weeks ago from FS. They confirmed my order and then nothing! The .223 die is backordered, but you have to log-in go through all the rigamarole to find that out. I tried to call them, they are not on duty. I logged into Titan and they are all out. Why don't they just shut down and tell you they can't get shit rather than to lead you on?? I am dealing with the nursing home for mom, the insurance company, the insurance agent, my Dad's satellite company whose equipment is junk, try to keep him calmed down, my wife is till sick, and I've got to follow up with FS and Titan too?
Dale M. Lock
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Sorry that happened to you. It is a brand new product and supply is pretty limited at this time. What I did was request email notification when stock was available. Even in their response that the products I asked for notification on were available to order, FS told me to order immediately because stock was limited.
Hang in there, it is worth it.
Gary
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