Illinois Gun Rights Under Political Attack

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CB posted this 03 January 2013

Posted Wed Jan 2 22:29:34 CST 2013

URGENT ALERT ”€œ BAN ON GUN RANGES AND BAN ON ALL SEMIAUTOMATIC FIREARMS ON THE MOVE IN THE ILLINOIS SENATE

YOUR IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUIRED

A pair of nightmare bills is on the move at this moment in the Illinois Senate.

These two bills would:

  1. Run all gun ranges out of business by imposing heavy fees, imposing special staffing requirements, warrantless searches of ranges and customers, unlimited unannounced “inspections.”

  2. Ban all semi-automatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns as well as pump action shotguns.

Here are direct links to the two bills:

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09700HB0815sam001&GA=97&SessionId=84&DocTypeId=HB&LegID=56601&DocNum=0815&GAID=11&Session=>"http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09700HB0815sam001&GA=97&SessionId=84&DocTypeId=HB&LegID=56601&DocNum=0815&GAID=11&Session="

and

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09700HB1263sam005&GA=97&SessionId=84&DocTypeId=HB&LegID=57242&DocNum=1263&GAID=11&Session=>"http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09700HB1263sam005&GA=97&SessionId=84&DocTypeId=HB&LegID=57242&DocNum=1263&GAID=11&Session="

EITHER OF THESE TWO BILLS WOULD END YOUR GUN RIGHTS ENTIRELY

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onondaga posted this 03 January 2013

Well the Illinois people voted in the most oppressive gun registration/gun and ammo buying  laws in the nation. I wouldn't expect less from Illinois. I had an opportunity to move business and all paid to Illinois and turned it down cold because of Illinois gun laws.

I don't know how you can stand to stay Dan. I recommend you flee to Vermont.

Gary

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biddulph posted this 03 January 2013

My local rifle range in Darwin.

Note: no range official in sight.

I'm the only one there, I'm a member so its all fine and 100% legal

Australia has some pretty tough gun laws but nothing like what is proposed in the post above. Thats madness!

The only range issues I'm aware of in the US are the ones when nutters suicide using guns they've hired.

The last one of those were a couple of Australian twins who shot each other at a range simultaneously. Range officer in attendance... and filmed on CCTV... seemed to fit all the requirements of this new bill...

cheers

James

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CB posted this 03 January 2013

onondaga wrote: Well the Illinois people voted in the most oppressive gun registration/gun and ammo buying  laws in the nation. I wouldn't expect less from Illinois. I had an opportunity to move business and all paid to Illinois and turned it down cold because of Illinois gun laws.

I don't know how you can stand to stay Dan. I recommend you flee to Vermont.

Gary

Hi Gary, I'm working on it. Vermont? I'm thinking anywhere west of the Mississippi River except for the SROC (Socialist Republic Of California :D )

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onondaga posted this 03 January 2013

Vermont has the least restrictive gun laws in the nation.

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 04 January 2013

of course you could just jump over the big muddy into iowa ...we feature * shall issue * ....even open carry, which i am against ....   and one of the nations cheapest car insurance rates ...  

oh, gasoline today in iowa is $3.06

all this in spite of iowa being a blue state ...how embarrassing ...

just sayin ...

ken

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RicinYakima posted this 04 January 2013

Dan,

Avoid Washington and Oregon in your search, as both are rapidly becoming wards of the Soviet of California. Like California, they have lots of nice folks, but the governments are becoming very opressive.

My list, in order, is Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada and Montana. Montana would be higher except that winter lasts for 10 months of the year.

Best wishes, Ric

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hunterspistol posted this 04 January 2013

:coffee   Then there's Texas where we have the weather with sun.

 

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delmarskid1 posted this 04 January 2013

In Wisconsin we have a Republican governor, a Republican legislature and go solid Democrat for the president? Open carry or concealed carry with a permit here. It's only winter for half of the year lately. We have a lot of our club/range members coming up from IL as we are on the state line. If Chicago applied for statehood Illinois would be a damned fine place to live. As my new brother-in-law said, “The best way to see Chicago is from the rear view mirror".

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CB posted this 04 January 2013

Nebraska might not be to bad,good hunting and farming land there.

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Clod Hopper posted this 05 January 2013

Where is that guy that assured us that Obama getting re-elected would not result in any attempts to take our guns?

Dale M. Lock

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CB posted this 05 January 2013

Clod Hopper wrote: Where is that guy that assured us that Obama getting re-elected would not result in any attempts to take our guns? Do not say his name three times or he'll appear.

I have him on “ignore” anyway...

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delmarskid1 posted this 05 January 2013

"A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie." ”€œ Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

What? Bleguoevic, Bleguoevic, Bleguoevic? Forgive me if I spelled the name wrong. I just called him “Beaver Head” and was done with it.

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Clod Hopper posted this 05 January 2013

ISRA NOTICE: A SPECIAL MESSAGE FROM ISRA EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR RICHARD PEARSON

January 4, 2013 - The Week in Review ”€œ The Unabashed Arrogance of the Gun Control Movement

As most of you know, this has been a very tense week for the law-abiding Illinois firearm owner. As most of us were getting ready to ring in the New Year, Senate President John Cullerton and his band of gun controllers were secretly preparing a major offensive against your gun rights. We got wind of the pending attack on your 2nd Amendment rights early in the week and immediately called together our lobbyists and strategic planners to build a defense.

When we finally saw the public release of the Cullerton plan mid-week, we were shocked at what we saw. Based on recent events, we fully expected to see legislative proposals to ban so-called “assault weapons,” and so-called “high-capacity ammunition feeding devices.” However, those affronts to your rights paled in comparison with what Cullerton's proposal entailed. Here is a sampling of the extremist proposals advanced by Cullerton's gun-grab plan:

  • The Illinois State Police would be given full control over the design and operation of commercial gun ranges in the state. That control would extend from the design of the bullet backstops to qualifications of range employees and even to the color of the paint on the walls of the men's room. The State Police would determine the hours of operation, what types and calibers of firearms could be discharged at the range, and even a minimum number of square feet. Every range customer would have to undergo a background check and each customer's visit would be logged by the range operator. Any Illinois law enforcement agency could conduct unannounced and warrantless inspections and searches of ranges at any time. Those searches and inspections would extend to range customers and their property. That means that the Chicago Police Department would have the authority to raid a range in Peoria and roust the customers of that range. The bottom line is, this range regulation proposal has the sole objective of running commercial shooting ranges out of business. We had never seen anything like this before, but the intent was clear.

  • All semi-automatic firearms would be either banned outright, or be so severely taxed and restricted that ownership would be impractical. We expected to see attempts to ban or regulate AR and AK type firearms, but what we saw in Cullerton's proposal carried that to an extreme. Cullerton's gun ban would extend to all semiautomatic rifles, pistols and shotguns. Additionally, many pump action rifles and shotguns would be banned as well. This ban would include such classics as the 1911 and the M1 Garand. Of course, all Glocks, Sig-Sauers, and other popular pistols would be banned as well. Estimates are that about 50% of rifles and 80% of handguns lawfully-owned by Illinois citizens would be subject to ban and confiscation under the Cullerton gun ban.

  • A bizarre and convoluted scheme to register all “ammunition feeding devices” capable of holding more than 10 rounds ”€œ including magazines, stripper clips, drums, etc. Since none of these devices possess serial numbers, owners of these devices would essentially register them under the “honor system.” Of course, we all know how well criminals stick to the honor system.

The two bills containing these provisions, HB0815 and HB1263, were both assigned to the Senate Public Health Committee for review. This committee is notoriously anti-gun and is stacked 6 to 4 with antigun Democrats under Cullerton's thumb. On Wednesday night, the two bills came up for hearing before the Senate Public Health Committee. During debate of these two bills, we heard straight from the horses' mouths what the intents and purposes of these bills were. Sitting there listening to the sponsors and their supporters was a very maddening experience.

Committee testimony given by the anti-gunners confirmed that the gun control movement holds firearm owners in deep contempt. During testimony, the gun controllers claimed that the range restriction bill would actually preserve 2nd Amendment rights while providing public safety. The gun controllers acknowledged that most semiautomatic firearms would be banned, but that people who wished to shoot semiautomatics should be reassured because they would be able to go to an approved range and legally rent semiautomatics to shoot. In other words, you should not be upset about surrendering your $5,000 target rifle because you can still go down to an approved range and get a junker out of the rental case to plink with. This was one of the most condescending lines of testimony I have ever heard levied against the right to keep and bear arms ”€œ and the anti-gunners uttered it with completely straight faces. The gun controllers really need to keep in mind that the 2nd Amendment says “keep and bear arms,” not “rent arms.”

Of course, nowhere in any of the testimony given by the bills' supporters was there any mention of how these restrictions and bans would affect criminals. In fact, the bill proponents became extremely defensive when pro-gun witnesses mentioned anything about violent gun-toting criminals. It was clear that the proponents' focus was solely on lawfully held firearms. In not so many words, the supporters of these bills claimed that they were good “first steps” to achieving a “civil society.” In the twisted world-view of the anti-gunners, law-abiding citizens are standing in the way of a civil society, not criminals.

As most of you may know, the two bills passed out of the Public Health Committee by 6-4 and 6-3 votes. The next step would be a vote on the floor. Late Thursday, the newspapers were reporting that the sponsors are delaying a vote on the bills because they do not have enough support for passage. Please, don't be fooled by such claims. These bills are alive and well and can be called up for a vote at any time.

In writing this note, I thought I'd give you a taste of what the ISRA lobbyists experience every day in Springfield. We could not continue to do what we do without knowing that you, the law-abiding citizen, has our back. Your support is crucial to our success ”€œ we do all we do for you. So, with that in mind, there are a few things I'd like you to do:

  1. Remember that these anti-gun bills are eligible for a full vote of the Senate at any time up through next Wednesday. Do not be lulled to sleep by media claims that the bills are dead.

  2. Keep an eye on your email for any alerts the ISRA issues regarding these bills or any other anti-gun activity.

  3. Please consider giving the ISRA a generous monetary donation so we may continue the fight for your rights.

Thanks for your time,

Richard A. Pearson Executive Director Illinois State Rifle Association


Please make a donation on-line here , or over the phone at 815-635-3198. If you would like to mail or fax a donation, we have a printable form here .

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CB posted this 05 January 2013

I got a hold of a copy of the post from the guy that used to be the webmaster here and all he said it that it is part of the reason he quit. After seeing this post and the responses and according to what I was told about political discussions, these posts are the same as what he wrote. I dont really get it at all. He wont tell me the whole story, so what did he do that is any different than what is being talked about here and now? When I chatted with him over at that boolits forum he seemed like a pretty square fellow.. That makes me afraid to even post this here.

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tturner53 posted this 05 January 2013

Let it go, you're beating a dead horse. Your repeated attempts to bring this up are making me wonder. Let's all be sure to stay on topic. Second Amendment specific notifications only.

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CB posted this 05 January 2013

I'm just trying to follow the rules, thats all.

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pat i. posted this 05 January 2013

Tom Jefferson wrote: I'm just trying to follow the rules, thats all.

Tom there's no reason to be afraid to post and maybe this topic is drifting into a grey area but will have to wait to hear from the BODs to decide. I have to ask though. Have we met before? There's something vaguely familiar about the syntex of your posts I just can't put my finger on.

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Clod Hopper posted this 05 January 2013

I spent most of Wednesday on the phone and on ARFCOM getting out the word. My local rep was the only office that was answered by a real human being, in this case, a very nice lady. I know my rep personally since before he was our rep. She said, well then you know he opposes this thing. Well, yeah, but every other line was busy. If it weren't for our parents owning farmland here and needing us to care for them, we would be moving to Virginia where my kids are, or TX or OK.

BTW there are lots of good people in Illinois, so don't condemn them all.

Dale M. Lock

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CB posted this 05 January 2013

Clod Hopper, thanks for posting Pearson's letter as it is important for our members here to know how much this matters and how well the ISRA stands up for all Illinois shooters.

There are good people in Illinois. I have a shooting friend who is always on 'stand-by' ready to take action to go to Springfield and do the foot work firsthand making contacts with offices, leaving notes and messages first hand and supporting reps on our side. I have been there a couple of times, all very polite and professional. These are dedicated people using their own monies and giving in of long hours............

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Clod Hopper posted this 05 January 2013

A little background for out of staters. Illinois passed a Firearms Owners Identification (FOID) card law many years ago. You have to send in an application with a recent photo, pay a small fee ($15 I think), and renew this every few years. We have a three day (72 hours) waiting period on handguns, including muzzle loading pistols, and 24 hours for a long gun, muzzle loader, C & R, and .22 air rifles! The NRA argument at the time was that this would be used to register gun owners and that it would make it easy for police to confiscate our guns. This was laughed off as the grossest paranoia. Now the legislature wants to closely regulate LEGAL gun owners who they see as the “real” problem. Aurora Illinois is the second largest city in Illinois (157,000). Their murder rate in 2012 was zero, nada, zip!! This was the result of a lot of hard work by police and the community over a long period of time. Gun control laws played no part in this. (The murder rate in the county where I live now was two people in 25 years!) The 7th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled on December 11, 2012, that Illinois' ban on concealed carry was unconstitutional. The court held off implementing its decision for 180 days so the legislature could pass a concealed carry law. Note that Illinois is the only state with no concealed carry law, even for off duty police officers. On December 14, 2012, the Sandy Hook school shooting occurred. Now that this virtual ban on most guns has been stopped in the legislature, I expect the anti-gunners to offer a “compromise” citing the Sandy Hook incident as reason for “reasonable” restrictions. Maybe an AWB like the 1994 AWB in exchange for a severely restricted CC? We will have to fight for every inch. If they reach no agreement, then we will have constitutional carry which means any legal gun owner can carry in Illinois. Hold on, it's going to be a very bumpy night!

Dale M. Lock

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