375 H&H with cast bullets.

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giorgio de galleani posted this 13 February 2012

Italian friend and forum addict Filippo Moretti asked me my 375H&H loads.

Rifle : 1675 vintage CZ rifle ,with american style stock,the german style hurts your cheek.

Dies : Old neil Jones neck sizer die ,RCBS  expander and seater die ,Lee factory crimp die,.

Primers large rifle magnum absolutely NO FILLERS

Bullets .:vintage Rcbs 375 250 gc bullet.The most accurate,casts 379 bullets.

        Saeco 's same design ,4 cavity mould ,decent bullet but smaller,casts 377 -378 bullets.

LBT 300 grainer, still experimenting with  this one.

All of them are lubed with a 379 die.

For  hunting the roe: 24.5 grains  Vihtavuori N110,with  rcbs bullets arond 1 -1.5 MOA

For plinking and playing 18-19 grains of the slow  shotgun powders  available in Italy as Tecna ,M410 ,Green box Rex , and in the past ,Sidna,MB,Acapnia.

Check the shape of the primers ,for pressure signals,and keep the speed of the bulles from 1200 to 1600 feet per second. 

 

 

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giorgio de galleani posted this 13 February 2012

I killed this roe doe at 80-90 meters ,from a tree stand.

The bullet did not exit from the Beast.She was dead in her tracks.I forgot to examinate the bullet.

Waiting for the deer ,coming out from the woods to feed at dusk  and shooting them  from a tre stand,with a scope is not the sport I like ,I  like to have the chance to miss the wild boars while they dart trough the bush, using a Marlin leveraction.And I have to study the tracks,the game trails ,control the wind direction,be silent et coetera, compete in smartness with the wily beasts.

Roe deer and fallow deer are ,in my opinion stupid and abitudinary wild goats, that have the same habits and follow a time table,they go to feed in the meadows at dawn (Unpleasantly early hour,) or at the evening ( thats better) and we shoot them from a tre tower ,quite like a siberian gulag.

I read that the US white tail deer is better,more challenging than our deer. 

 

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giorgio de galleani posted this 13 February 2012

Horror ,typing error ,the rifle I got in 1975,not 1675.

The clever features of the California style stock is the flat bottom forend and the montecarlo cheek piece.

The rifle is moderately heavy and kicks moderately with full steam jacketed loads.

I had owned a  Winchester post 64 rifle and a Ruger N°1 in this caliber , I did not feel at home with them ,I gave them away. 

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Ed Harris posted this 14 February 2012

"The Load” of 13 grains of Red Dot with #375449 gives about 1400 fps in the .375 H&H. You can also use 11-12 grains of Bullseye for about 100-150 fps less and also without the GC. No filler needed.

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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dodgyrog posted this 14 February 2012

Interesting the variation from country to country, isn't it. The .375 will kill Roe deer with absolutely NO problem but in the UK you would NOT get a licence to use it! The police here are obsessed with people not having guns that might be more powerful than theirs. I think a slow moving heavy flat nose boolit is more than suitable for any deer species, killing cleanly and not excessive meat damage. I would like to try a big calibre for hunting and using cast boolits. I'll have to stick with my 30-06 and work on my accuracy.

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tturner53 posted this 15 February 2012

I tried white tail hunting. In Missouri, with a muzzle loader. Too easy for me. They don't seem that wild. I am spoiled living out west, there are millions and millions of acres of public land, forests and mountain ranges to go native in. Places where you may not see a soul for days. The hunting may not always be good but plenty of room to hunt. In California we have two main mountain ranges, the coastal range, maybe 500 miles long and is largely national forest, and the Sierra Nevada range, gets up to over 10,000 feet. Couldn't hunt it all in a lifetime. Few people know California is about 1/3 public land, most of it open to hunting of one kind or another. I agree a large fat bullet is the way to go when hunting big game with a cast bullet. I've used the 45-70 to good effect, a .444 has accompanied me but is untried as yet. Now I'm getting a Marlin 336 in .35 Remington. Thinking of it as a Super .357 Maximum. Got everything but the gun. I expect to get the LBT 200 gr. up to about 2,000 fps.

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FilippoMo posted this 15 February 2012

In Italy Alliant powders are not distributed therefore we must use shotgun powder avaialable to us.I am sorry to hear about silly rules from other european contries but that is what europe is all about.Thank you for your replays sincerely Filippo

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giorgio de galleani posted this 15 February 2012

just a few minutes ago I have loaded and chronographed some 375 loads,with 300 gr LBT bullets ,dia .379 and 16 grains of Tecna,Win Lr primers.

1420, fps ,satisfactory recoil.

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tturner53 posted this 15 February 2012

Filippo; take a look at the Roe deer in the picture. Did Giorgio shoot it or did he hit it with his Fiat?

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FilippoMo posted this 15 February 2012

tturner53 wrote: Filippo; take a look at the Roe deer in the picture. Did Giorgio shoot it or did he hit it with his Fiat? Many hares in the good old day fell victim to fiat cars,but I know of nobody who got a roedeer by car.Sure it takes more skill than using a rifle Filippo

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 15 February 2012

howdy from iowa ... ( located between idaho  and ohio   )  ... regarding downing a toy deer with either a 375 mag, or an automobile ...  is their a difference ??  heh heh ...

hey i got a question for you ...is fiochi still a major force in shooting there ....when i wuz young, i partook in several of their components ...  including their caps for reloading shotshell  primers !   and they even had swaged 22 lead bullets for hornets ... and other neat stuff ...  in the nineties i shot some fiochi match 22 rimfire..it was good for the bucks ....

just wondering..    ken

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6pt-sika posted this 15 February 2012

I just got back sunday a week ago from a 10 day hunt in Arkansas for feral piggies . My gunsmith buddy killed one but I failed to see one to shoot at !

I hunted from deerhouses (elevated houses with chairs inside) during the daylight hours and didn't see anything . My friends however hunted from groundblinds in a different area at night and saw some piggies and were able to get the one by use of game cams and red lights .

 

I have no problem with the way anyone hunts as long as it's legal ! And what they were doing is legal for what is refferred to as a nuisance species . I just don't care to go out at night and hunt using a light .

 

Much like many of you saying deer are to easy to kill from treestands etc etc .

 

Personally I don't care to do anything anymore other then climbing a tree and sitting in wait for a few hours . If I don't see anything no big deal , if I see something good and if I kill something great .

After awhile people start to understand that it doesn't matter if others do it THE SAME WAY you do !

I'm not much on hunting deer with dogs , but there are plenty groups in my area that do it . Do I join them , not as of yet . Does it bother me , not unless their dogs are running on my property !

 

Now back more to the topic at hand . I'd love to kill a couple nice Roe Bucks . Chatted with a Scottish bloke at the Harrisburg Pennsylvania Outdoor Show maybe 15 years ago about going over and doing just that but never made the deal . I was going to take a 260 REM with a Nosler 125 grain Partition bullet as he told me most of the people he took used a 243 WIN with a 90-100 grain jacketed bullet . The 260 with the 125 Partition has killed a couple dozen whitetails for me in Virginia so I see no reason it wouldn't do an excellent job on Roe as well !

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6pt-sika posted this 15 February 2012

tturner53 wrote:  Now I'm getting a Marlin 336 in .35 Remington. Thinking of it as a Super .357 Maximum. Got everything but the gun. I expect to get the LBT 200 gr. up to about 2,000 fps.

I had 4 Marlin's in 35 REM for awhile !

The first was a 336SC that was made in 1952 gun had a 20” barrel . I also had a pair of the Marlin 336D which is nothing more then a 336 in the Guide Gun style Lipseys or Davidson's had a run of 1001 of these done back about 2000 and I used one for jacketed and the other for cast . The fourth gun I had was a 336XLR in 35 REM that one was for the Leverevolution factory ammo exclusively !

 

Over the course of time I shot the RCBS 35-200GC and the Ranch Dog 359-190GC in both the 336SC and the 336D cast bullet gun . Killed deer with both and both dropped them like a hammer . The other 336D was loaded with handloaded Remington 200 grain CoreLokt roundnose bullets and that one hit hard and dropped all the deer I shot with it post haste !

 

I've not tried a LBT mold in a 35 REM . All my LBT molds are 44 cal .

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FilippoMo posted this 16 February 2012

Ken Campbell, Iowa wrote: howdy from iowa ... ( located between idaho  and ohio   )  ... regarding downing a toy deer with either a 375 mag, or an automobile ...  is their a difference ??  heh heh ...

hey i got a question for you ...is fiochi still a major force in shooting there ....when i wuz young, i partook in several of their components ...  including their caps for reloading shotshell  primers !   and they even had swaged 22 lead bullets for hornets ... and other neat stuff ...  in the nineties i shot some fiochi match 22 rimfire..it was good for the bucks ....

just wondering..    ken They make components for shotgun and metallic cartridge reloading,ammunition rimfire and centrefire both shotgun and rifle,including military. sincerely Filippo

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FilippoMo posted this 16 February 2012

6pt-sika wrote: I just got back sunday a week ago from a 10 day hunt in Arkansas for feral piggies . My gunsmith buddy killed one but I failed to see one to shoot at !

I hunted from deerhouses (elevated houses with chairs inside) during the daylight hours and didn't see anything . My friends however hunted from groundblinds in a different area at night and saw some piggies and were able to get the one by use of game cams and red lights .

 

I have no problem with the way anyone hunts as long as it's legal ! And what they were doing is legal for what is refferred to as a nuisance species . I just don't care to go out at night and hunt using a light .

 

Much like many of you saying deer are to easy to kill from treestands etc etc .

 

Personally I don't care to do anything anymore other then climbing a tree and sitting in wait for a few hours . If I don't see anything no big deal , if I see something good and if I kill something great .

After awhile people start to understand that it doesn't matter if others do it THE SAME WAY you do !

I'm not much on hunting deer with dogs , but there are plenty groups in my area that do it . Do I join them , not as of yet . Does it bother me , not unless their dogs are running on my property !

 

Now back more to the topic at hand . I'd love to kill a couple nice Roe Bucks . Chatted with a Scottish bloke at the Harrisburg Pennsylvania Outdoor Show maybe 15 years ago about going over and doing just that but never made the deal . I was going to take a 260 REM with a Nosler 125 grain Partition bullet as he told me most of the people he took used a 243 WIN with a 90-100 grain jacketed bullet . The 260 with the 125 Partition has killed a couple dozen whitetails for me in Virginia so I see no reason it wouldn't do an excellent job on Roe as well ! The 260 will do,the roe is actually smaller than a withetail Filippo

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giorgio de galleani posted this 17 February 2012

tturner53 wrote: Filippo; take a look at the Roe deer in the picture. Did Giorgio shoot it or did he hit it with his Fiat?

Smart fellows ,in Italy do not use Fiat.

I owned half a dozen Fiat or Lancia,in pre Marchionne days. Did not like them.

Not long lasting ,uncomfortable fot tall people ,cold in winter ,great gas drinkers.

The Landie has a BMW diesel  5 cylinder engine,over 250.000 kilometers.

And I have a small Renault car ,running on propane gas,for economy. 

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dodgyrog posted this 17 February 2012

A 243 Win with an 87gr Hornady soft point does the job a treat. The meat damage is a bit severe though. That's why I want to use my 30-06 with a cast flat nose boolit.

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giorgio de galleani posted this 17 February 2012

You could go with a  Lyman 311284,having filed the round nose ,as Frank Marshall said.

Or with the 6 cavity Lee molds of Ranchdog,look on his site.

I have the one  made for the old microgrooved 30-30 Marlin,and I have thrated my recent bidet tap ballard rifling 336 luxury Marlin.

One of his molds uses tradititional lube and should be made for 30-06 or 308 rifles.

If I had well understood. 

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Brodie posted this 18 February 2012

I have shot feral hogs with : 3oo Win Mag, 180 gr. sierra sp 7X57 Mauser 150 gr. sierrra sp 44. Mag 240 gr. Win hp jacketed 25 gr. IMR4227 44. Mag 270 gr. RCBS ACWW, 19 gr.2400 3006 180 gr.Sierra sp,  54 gr. IMR 4350 308 Win. 150 gr.Win Factory 243 Win.  100 ngr. Win factory. I personally prefer the 7X57 and 44 with cast bullets.  They do less meat damage, and penetrate very well.  The Mauser weighs less, has less recoil than the other rifles.  I never recovered a cast bullet from the 44.  Although I did recover one of the jacketed hollow points it had mushroomed nicely after going the length of the hog.

Out in the PRC the country is often quite open and distances  can be long unless the pigs are caught with dogs or rooted out in a stream bed or other thickly grown area AND There you really do need the dogs or a good deal of luck. Brodie

B.E.Brickey

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Brodie posted this 18 February 2012

Terrible sorry. Wrong Thread. Senior moment, Brain Phart.

B.E.Brickey

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giorgio de galleani posted this 18 February 2012

Old Coot wrote: Terrible sorry. Wrong Thread. Senior moment, Brain Phart.

Plase,do not excuse yourself,boar shooting is a the only big game hunt that we poor devils can afford,and it is always interesting.

I do not use the Cz 375H&H for pigs because we hunt in very steep and thickly wooded mountains.I prefer the Marlin leverguns.

Roe deer are miniature whitetails ,the adults go from 40 to 60 pounds.alive.

If I was to hunt  them in our Valtrebbia mountains I'd use the inox 30-30, with a Weaver 2.5 scope.

Of course with cast ,and making low noise,keeping low the sound pollution,for social reasons.  

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