Peoples Republic oF California
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Pretty sad situation in Californica!
Because I said so!
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Could be worse, you could be in Massachusettstan
Open carry is not allowed here, every gun has to be cased and locked, there have been cases where someone is loading a cased and locked gun into a car and the cops are called on them and you get in trouble.
Even with a carry permit it has to be deep concealment, there was a case in Dedham where a guy had a gun in a shoulder holster and was wearing a zipped up coat, he leaned forward to talk to someone in a car and a cop at just the right angle across the street thought he saw a gun and they arrested him and pulled his permit and he lost all his guns. If you have a DUI even 40 years ago you can never get a gun license, if you have one and get stopped for drinking and driving even if not armed you lose your license and all your guns, in fact I got a nice 11-87 Lefthand that way from a guy it happened to. If you want to buy a used gun, if made after 1998 it has to be on the approved roster, or if before 1998 then it has to have been registered in Mass before that date or you can't buy it, cuts down on crime!
Want a gun for home defense, well you better have in a holster on you because if it is even 3 feet away from you it has to have a trigger lock on it. Want one in your bedside table, better not fall asleep because then it is considered not under your control, even if it is under the pillow, and it needs a trigger lock, makes for fast use!
I could go on and on, in fact checkout www.northeastshooters.com and go to their gun laws forum for Mass Laws.
Although New Jersey might actually be worse!
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I don't see how you guys stand it. Here in Hoosier Land (Indiana) we get a lifetime concealed carry license for around $150. No test, no BS, if your not a criminal you can get a carry permit. As far as I know there are no restrictions on carrying a long gun in your vehicle, No permit required to do so, loaded or unloaded, it's up to you.
You still see gun racks with guns in the back of pickups. The last time I saw figures on it, one out of every 12 people had a carry license in my county. We don't have car jackings, at least not that I've heard of.
We recognize the permits of every state in the union. We can carry concealed while hunting. That was a big deal to me because there is an area I used to bowhunt which was well known for meth heads and labs. I wrote a lot of letters to get the law changed so I could carry while bowhunting because of that.
We recently passed an employee protection act which allows workers to keep firearms out of sight in their locked vehicles and prohibits employers from even asking if you have a firearm in your vehicle. It took years of letter writing by lots of us to get that passed but now I no longer have to park outside the fence along the road when I'm hunting or shooting after work or just exercising my carry rights.
We have no duty to retreat from anyplace we can legally be before using force to protect ourselves. (I'm not a lawyer, but that's how I understand it).
We can own class 3 weapons. Our deer hunting is great. We can't hunt deer with high powered rifles but we can hunt them with handgun cartridge rifles and many high-power rifle calibers shot from a pistol.
I'm not trying to brag about our state, I know many of the Western states are even more about freedom than we are. I'm just saying that if you live in a state with little 2'nd amendment freedom and you don't see much hope of changing it then there is freedom to be had if you are willing to move.
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I wish I could move, buy my wife is staying here, and remember the golden rule, “she with the gold makes the rules" Just north of us in NH it is like the west.
We have extreme gun laws, but don't have low crime, in fact in Boston you cannot posses a knife with a blade longer than 2 1/2 inches.
Your Police Chief can shoot you down for a license, I am not talking carry permit but in Mass to even buy primers you need a gun license and if they pull it you have to surrender your guns, no license no guns. But what do you expect from a state that gave the country Ted Kennedy?
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This may sound harsh , but all of Kalifornia I've seen has been from airport windows .
WHile I am sure there's some pretty country in northern California and more then likely some very nice people all over the state . I've come to the conclusion for my needs I now route all my international flights in a way that keeps me from having to ever set foot in LAX or SFO !
Hence if all goes as planned I will never be in the state of Kalifornia ever again !
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I lived in (Southern) California for 38 years, and, until 1960 or so, it was a great place to live. Climate is still hard to beat. But--I got tired of all the political baloney that went with the climate. I knew about 1964 I was going to have to get out. So, I had the best of both worlds. Got out in 1974, worked in LAX, lived in LAS. Commuted on the airline I worked for. Paid for my Nevada home in 3 years, free and clear, with the money I saved in California State income taxes. At the time, Vegas was a great place to be in. Drive from one side of town to the furthest point in 20 minutes or less, day or night. Housing costs were about 20% or so (as I recall) what they were in LAX. But, finally, enough people figured out what I had figured 20 years before, and they started Californicating Nevada. 3500-4300 new residents per month. Now, I'm not sure it's so great. Haven't been back for about 9 years, but my brother still lives there. I got out just before the real estat bust; perfect timing (luck.)Still and all, I feel very sorry for the Calif. folks; it shouldn't have to be this way.
In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. My fate is not entirely in Gods hands, if I have a weapon in mine.
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Well lets see. I live in California so that make me a citizen of a third world nation correct?Personally I have never had a reason to open carry when I go to Applebys for dinner. I sure can't see a reason to open carry in the local Mall but maybe some of the hippies there might attack me, who knows. I put my guns in my car and go to the range just like everyone else does and have no problems.
As for living here it isn't as bad as some of you think. Yes it has its share of kooks (like our new governor). Yes it has kooky laws. But I seem to remember it is illegal to own a pair of wire cutters in Texas without a license, or illegal to shoot Buffalo from a hotel window in Oklahoma. Those are laws still on the books there. I think most of you when you look real close at your own state will find that you have as much dirty laundry as California.
Do I like living here . In a Word NO! I live here because my children are here . I live here because some of the best medical treatment facilities in the world are here and I do not have to drive 200 miles to see a specialist. My wife has dementia and that takes presidence over all else.
So maybe some of you should clean your own house before you try to tell us how to clean ours.
beekeeper
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To Beekeeper: I grew up in Madera, CA in the 50's and 60's. It was a great place to grow up THEN. I escaped Californica in 1981. Smartest thing I ever did. Now the town of Madera (downtown) looks like Tiajuana, MX. Fresno, CA has some of the worst gang problems in the Nation. The turning point was with Ceasar Chavez and the United Farm Workers which pretty much put and end to the Brasero Migrant Worker Program and now we have an illegal immigration problem that is choking the life out of the USA. Californica has filled it's Governmental ranks with extreme left wing polititians such as Nancy Pelosi, Diane Feinstein, Harvy Milk, Jerry Brown, etc...Bottom Line, YOU DERSERVE WHAT YOU GET or got...I remember spotlighting jackrabbits in the 60's and would get stopped by the County Sheriff at all hours of the night and early morning. He would ask us if we were shooting any cottontails and when told no, he would caution us to be careful and tell us to have a good shoot. The farmers and ranchers even provided us with .22 ammo to kill every jack we could. A 200+ night was not uncommon. Those were the days...
Because I said so!
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So instead of staying here and help fix the problem you cut and ran to some other state. WOW and you think I am foolish for staying here. Must be nice to sit at a distance and tell everyone what is wrong where they live and when it comes to your neighborhood cut and run for someone elses neighborhood. Must make all you folks proud! I have stayed and learned to live within the system and do quite well. I have no gun problems and do not think I will but then again I am not such a redneck that I have to walk down the street wearing a gun just to show how much of a man I am.
beekeeper
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This is a good place for me to plug The California Rifle and Pistol Association. It's the main reason things aren't worse. It's simple really, we're outnumbered. On top of that millions of gun owners aren't active politically, won't join the NRA or CRPA. It doesn't have to be this way, but more people are going to have to be willing to join the fight. We are winning some battles, the fight never ends.
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The concept there is called federalism, it means you can pick which state you'd like to live in. I reckon the Pilgrims cut and run from Britain.
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But, finally, enough people figured out what I had figured 20 years before, and they started Californicating Nevada.
"Californicating” ) I like that. I heard about it long ago in places like Vail, Colorado and then trying to ruin the rest of the state, same with Montana, Washington and Oregon states.
From what I see about the handgun law isn't about carrying a gun to Walmart or wherever, but not in any 'public area'. To interpetation, that would also mean to include the some 4 million California State 'public' Lands and most likely to include the 15.2 million BLM 'public' Lands in California. Brown might as well have signed an all out handgun ban............Dan
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I just shot at and missed a coyote out my back door. First miss in several years. Actually I tagged it on the fourth shot but it rolled and got up and ran off. I went out and looked for some blood but didn't find any. If I lived in Californica the swat teams would be on their way now. That yote was worrying my horses...
Because I said so!
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California, New Jersey, Massachusetts, some of the discussion seems to be on the lines of “our weather is worse, or winters are colder"
But to put it to rest I just have to say Mass is the home of Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Barney Frank, and Mitt Romney
Need I say more?
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Guys, this is not just a California,problem; we all should support each other no matter where we are live.
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I'm a native of this place California. Family pioneered here in 1837. Now that's nothing for the folks who hitched a ride on the Mayflower and stuck it out in MA. However, too see grave sites and oldest cemeteries (Marys) decimated in Yolo Ca was more that my heart could stand. What this state has gone to is beyond me.
Charlie, Peoples Republic of California
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Not a word about the plastic litter left by the illegals. Cattle choking on plastic etc.
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Guys, this is not just a California,problem; we all should support each other no matter where we are live.
Bingo! I'm so glad to hear that. It is also my goal to recruit a new member or two to the CRPA. It's about ten cents a day and you get a good magazine to boot. It feels good to be a member, feels like you're doing your part kind of thing. Only chance we have of fighting the antis, they are organised and funded, we have to be also. Remember, all you Californians, united we stand... I'd like to hear from some more Californians(correct spelling) who think their rights are worth fighting for. Get in the fight now, next year they will be back with worse legislation and won't rest 'til we're reduced to peasants with bb guns. So, who's joining up? Is there one California gun owner that can't afford ten cents a day? Nothing on this earth would make me believe even a homeless pan handler couldn't afford that, so what's holding people up? I'd like to know.
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The NRA was TOTALLY worthless when our community/police range was closed to the community. Noise issues. B.S. Cops used M-16's MP-5s and at night and we were limited to .45 ACP's till 5 p.m. I have also heard fine things concerning the CRPA. May join too. The range had been opened since the mid '50's. Now its' a 40 mile jaunt, or more. Charlie
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"Must be nice to sit at a distance and tell everyone what is wrong where they live and when it comes to your neighborhood cut and run for someone elses neighborhood."
Well Beekeeper, I'm one who cut and run. Did it in 1970 and it was the best move I ever made. The hard part was leaving family and friends but I figured I'd best hat up and hit the road befoe one of San Francisco's finest shot my sorry ass dead. Yup, I said shot my ass dead. Seems like every time I loaded my stuff to go to the range the cops would show up with drawn guns aimed at ME. Seems like some busy body old lady with nothing better to do would call the cops every time I decided to go shoot. Tht was the start. Then big time developer Henry Dolger sued the Coastside Sportsmans gun club of which I was a member and got it closed down. San Francisco allow us civilians to use their police range until Feinstein became mayor. She shut that down. Just icing on the cake as it was looking down the barrels of a half dozen or more .357 Magnums was the big reason. Frankly it bothered me to see the gun handling of Frisco's finest donut eaters. The really sad thing is those cops after a few times knew exactly what was happening and it was still staring down those muzzles. BS my friend. You like the People's Republik of Kalifornia, then you stay there. But don't you tell me I did wrong for leaving. I was born in that state and I saw the liberal totally ruin it. If you're happy where you are that's cool. I'm happy where I am and damn glad I left. I even open carry if I choose to and can carry concealed without a permit and it's perfectly legal. FWIW I also have a permit. Where I live I have the choice. You don't. Live with it. Paul B.
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