GAS CHECKS

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Euan posted this 07 July 2011

Sure does! Hope he is not useing a hamer and punch.

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1kshooter posted this 07 July 2011

I am very happy with the gas checks I ordeared from him ....top notch guy to deal with too! I for one will be dealing with him again! Jonathan

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codarnall posted this 07 July 2011

I tried looking to PM this guy using the eBay handle while on eBay. Not too long ago it was easy task. Seems impossible presently eBay moving its guru's to Texas must have gotten their underwear in a snit. But as I posted someplace else I think, as I'm loosing it. www.sagesoutdoors.com seems a current backdoor for now 6.5 cruise missile checks by LEE or 7mm's.

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Vassal posted this 07 July 2011

I wonder about how these treat the bore?

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codarnall posted this 07 July 2011

At least one commercial caster prefers them!

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codarnall posted this 09 July 2011

Euan wrote: Sure does! Hope he is not useing a hamer and punch.

EUAN Aren't you the bloak with buckets of 22 checks.

Charlie

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1kshooter posted this 09 July 2011

I have to admite that I have nothing eles to compair them to but I do like the way it treats my bore...alot cleaner and alot less lead to clean out after a day of blasting at the range or out in the g-hog fields I have even shot a couple after the bore was baddly leaded and it was almost clean after a shot or two with the Sage Outdoors Gas Checks! Jonathan

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codarnall posted this 12 July 2011

FREECHEX tools has moved to GUNBROKER!

Charlie

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BCB posted this 13 July 2011

I presently shoot the 45-270-SAA in my Blackhawk and it shoot quite well...

But, I have been thinking about a gascheck design in the 240-250 weight...

Guess I might consider the aluminum checks after I compare prices for copper checks--if I can even get them anymore...

Anyone use the checks on 45 Colt booits?...

Thanks...BCB

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codarnall posted this 13 July 2011

Using about 8 gr.of UNIQUE which I think is pretty hot for a 250gr in my SAA Colt I've never had a problem leading etc. Anything by Ruger can stand a little more than than my Colt. That, said if leading is an issue you may give checks a chance otherwise it's just an extra step and expense.

Charlie

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linoww posted this 13 July 2011

codarnall wrote: FREECHEX tools has moved to GUNBROKER!

Charlie

did the ebay/paypal monopoly finally get to you?

George

"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!

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codarnall posted this 14 July 2011

That and other issues. listening to eBay radio today, I am not alone. Because of my standing I had almost instant access to advisors etc. However, I feel like it was dealing with the politburo. It's been wonderful education and it's time to move on, and frankly they can't or won't close my account fast enough.

Charlie

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Sagebrush posted this 14 July 2011

No Hammer! I have a 6'-5” tall, 280 lb son, two air presses and two 1 ton arbor presses. Not to mention some great FREECHEK III TOOLS. One die alone has just passed 75,000 checks. I have know made over 250,000 checks and keep on going, going. going............................

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billglaze posted this 14 July 2011

I've got a .41 Magnum I need gas checks for, and I don't yet have a mould, because if gas checks are unobtainable, getting a GC mould seems pretty pointless. I see that .416 GCs are available, but my (semi-educated) guess is that they wouldn't work on a .410 size bullet.

So, if anybody hears about the possibility of GCs in .41, I'd sure like to hear about it.

TIA

Bill Glaze

In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. My fate is not entirely in Gods hands, if I have a weapon in mine.

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Sagebrush posted this 14 July 2011

I have two sizes of .41/416 checks. Codarnall has identified a least six diferent size shanks for the .41. So he picked a standard size that works with most of my customers. When you have your mold, cast some bullets and measure your shank. We probably can have a fit by changing metal thickneses. Shooting aluminum gas checks will keep your barrel cleaner and improve accuracy during a long string of shooting.Not my claim but 44 mag shooters that shoot every weekend.

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codarnall posted this 15 July 2011

billglaze wrote: I've got a .41 Magnum I need gas checks for, and I don't yet have a mould, because if gas checks are unobtainable, getting a GC mould seems pretty pointless.Ã‚Â I see that .416 GCs are available, but my (semi-educated) guess is that they wouldn't work on a .410 size bullet.

So, if anybody hears about the possibility of GCs in .41, I'd sure like to hear about it.

TIA

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Bill Glaze

Almost right.

Here's the problem Biil. I got started making checks because of the 41's vanished. It was an idea someone suggested I try. 41's castings are all over the map as far as shank sizes are concerned. .375 .387 .393 .397 .400. In other words, a complete headache. Now comes the custom dies, someone thought to make a groove for a Hornady check, except Hornady doesn't have a check for it. I had a terrible time fitting a check on as the shanks was only .060 long and staying on the issue. All the checks were perfect except the material made a huge difference. Super glue was an option the buyer was thinking about also. Litho plate was the best for this instance snapping on as was I glad the buyer provided sample material. So now really shying away from 41's, 416's seemed the best alternative. Now material thickness makes the difference on how well the check will swage to the shank. .008 .011 .014 .017 etc are some of the “sort of available” materials and the label means nothing. I hope this helps as I have fought the problem for a few years now.

Charlie

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billglaze posted this 15 July 2011

Well, Gentlemen, it seems as if a couple of qualified GC folks feel that, if I can get a mould and measure the GC shank, they can, by hook or crook, figure out some GC's that will work. Sounds fair to me. I'll sound out the mould-makers and see just what I can come up with. I have always felt that aluminum, (with which I worked for years) might conduct the heat more than copper; but the difference might not be significant, inasmuch as the bullet is exposed to the combustion heat for such a short time. In any event, worth a try. Nice to know that help is available.

Bill Glaze

In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. My fate is not entirely in Gods hands, if I have a weapon in mine.

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codarnall posted this 15 July 2011

Bill as you say heat transfer is not the issue. The miniscule gap between the check and the base of the bullet is a “brick wall” to heat conductivity. Then there's the micro seconds of initial burn. Shear forces of the copper and aluminum vary so much as you probably know. Sealing the hot gases or plasma blow by is what the shooter wants to achieve. I indicated to a gent about this notion regarding his 500S&W's .020 thick aluminum checks recently. He opined he was willing to beagle the mold to use .014 material as that material is a wee bit easier to make with his freechex III. With the Lyman type check at o.d. .503 I told him to try too placing the check in case upside down seating his huge casting on top of it. No glue etc. This idea a virtue of the straight walled case.

Lyman years ago using their possibly a “we can't fix so we'll feature it” notion indicated, the check is designed to fall off after leaving the barrel. I don't know the veracity of the statement but in other words the check has done its job. Here the .503 check may be a wee bit hard to start in the case for the 500 but a .410 check of any thickness should be fine for you.

A shooter of a .410 marlin Micro groove barrel, now discontinued, had a casting by RCBS with a shank of .400 also discontinued. I still have his castings he sent me. His problem was that he maintained that the ultra thin aluminum was galling and fouling the barrel and being torn to shreds by the m/g barrel as evidenced by slugs recovered in his snow bank. This, the only situation when this notion arose in 1000's of private e-mails. He tried .005 hobby shop copper and was thrilled by the favorable results. You can probably see what my opinion would be if the notion of a plain base gas check arose! I shall not opine. Theory is nice, but careful test results are best. Happy Shootin'

Charlie

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1kshooter posted this 15 July 2011

I just got my Ranch Dog mold today and I was very happy when after I cast up a few hundread that the Sage Outdoor checks just slide one so easy....and out of all the bullets only one GC fell off after sizing and tumble lubeing twice! and to tell you the truth I think it was an under molded bullet! a big thums up for Ranch dog and Sage Outdoors! I have another RD mold for my new 1894ss Marlin in 44mag and I will buy the Sage Outdoors aluma checks for it as well as soon as I find out what the size and thickness and dia. of the Hornady #7130 GC is I will be ordering the same in the aluma checks!!! Jonathan

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hunterspistol posted this 15 July 2011

:coffee Billglaze: I shoot 41 magnum and there are two different checks that I shop for. If you use an LBT mold, you'll want .416 Gator checks. If you use a Lyman or RCBS then you'll want the Lyman thin gas check. They are both available from Blammer over at Cast Boolits (membership is free).

His gas checks are under the Group Buy Log-in at DJ's Corner (DJ Steenwyk is Blammer). I've bought some from him and other members there. DJ's prices are good, he does bulk buys for all kinds of gas checks.

There you have my handy-dandy gas check shopping guide,

Ron

PS: second firearm, Ruger Blackhawk in 41 magnum in the avatar. Love mine.