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Glenn R. Latham posted this 12 July 2025

Ran across a nice Arisaka Type 99 for a decent price and picked it up.  Very nice condition inside and out.  Bore slugs .317" x .302".  Yeah, pretty deep rifling!  "Throat," such as it is, is also .317".  I happen to have an NOE 316299 that casts .317" from WWs, so that was fortunate.  However, the nose is .306", so I thought that might cause some trouble.  As it turns out, the bullet seats with just the GC below the neck when seated out as far as possible.

Hornady 30 caliber GCs sort of crimp on, at .317".  That's only about .003" of crimping.  On a whim I tried an 8mm/32 caliber GC and it didn't fit any tighter.  GC can be easily twisted and can be pried off with the fingers.  We'll see how it works out.  Might be a week or two before I can get it out to the range.

 

Glenn

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pat i posted this 12 July 2025

Nice to see I'm not the only one nuttier than squirrel crap Glenn. Looking forward to hearing how it shoots.

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 13 July 2025

GlenL ... gas checks are a passing fad ...

although i guess like other mortal sins such as likker and fast wimmin ...  their siren attraction is most grievous to resist ....

myself I haven't succumbed to that brash brass business for an upcoming 40 years now ... although I keep a drawer of several thousand to test and burnish my resolve ...

meetings every Wednesday night ... all invited ...

ken, day by day as yet unchecked in Iowa

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Glenn R. Latham posted this 13 July 2025

Ken, you're a smarter man than I am! I even have a 30 cal. GC maker that will make triple thick GCs from pop cans. Don't know if they would fit any better. I'm up against the same issue in 6.5x55 with .269" bullets. Tried 2x pop can GCs and got vertical stringing and some tipping. Might be falling off. More testing to do.

Glenn

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Clod Hopper posted this 13 July 2025

Has anyone tried Superglue or another adhesive to hold the GC on?  BTW, my 7.7 Arisaka is .317 too.

Dale M. Lock

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Glenn R. Latham posted this 13 July 2025

Dale, I've heard of it but not tried it. Just guessing, but should definitely keep the GC on in the case, but after launch, hard to say.

Glenn

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Bud Hyett posted this 13 July 2025

There was an article at least four decades ago in on of the slick cover gun rags extolling the virtue of gluing gas checks.This was the era of the Lyman press-on gas checks. I tried it and found it helped but was a lot of excess labor. Then Hornady came out with the crimp-on gs checks and I never looked back.

With your situation, I might try it. I don't remember which glue I used, but it was not a super glue. I poured it in a bottle cap and added the glue to the gas check with a swizzle stick.

Farm boy from Illinois, living in the magical Pacific Northwest

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Glenn R. Latham posted this 13 July 2025

Thanks Bud, I'll keep this in mind pending my results on the range.

 

Glenn

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Larry Gibson posted this 13 July 2025

Glenn

I've found the Lyman 323470 when cast of COWW + 2% tin, initially GC'd with 32 Cal GCs and lubed run 169 +/- gr.  I've honed out Lee .314 sizers to .316 and .318.  The sized .325 bullets GC'd and Lubed (all the grooves of the Lovern bullet) are an easy push through to size either .316 or .318.  I've used the .318s in a couple 7.7s with very good results.

LMG

Concealment is not cover.........

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Glenn R. Latham posted this 13 July 2025

Larry, I've got a couple 8mm molds and I was thinking of sizing them down.  Glad to hear it works well.  If the 316299 doesn't work out, I'll try that.

 

Glenn

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Carl Pegg posted this 13 July 2025

Glenn, for what it's worth, when I was still dinkin' around with making aluminum checks I had a few molds that didn't hold the check very well and I did use a drop of super glue and it does work but it's a pain in the posterior. I dug bullets out of the berm that still had the checks on them. I have since gone the Ken route and don't use gas checks anymore and just plink at moderate velocity.

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Glenn R. Latham posted this 14 July 2025

Thanks Carl, I'll keep this in my back pocket.

Glenn

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Lucky1 posted this 14 July 2025

For some reason, I'm wondering if this will show up next year at Nationals? I have used this same bullet with Hornady and Gator gas checks and didn't detect anything unusual going on. The brass is pretty easy to make as well so have fun.

Scott Ingle

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Glenn R. Latham posted this 14 July 2025

Scott, I haven't even popped a cap on the thing, no idea how it will shoot, but I don't have high hopes it will make a match rifle! Probably minute of quart oil bottle at 100. I did make cases from 30-06. With a .317" bullet it results in a "fitted neck." We'll see.

Glenn

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Wilderness posted this 14 July 2025

Glenn - your "fitted neck" situation has your 7.7 project paralleling what I do with .30-30. Larry's advice to size down some 8 mm bullets is what I'd go with. The gas checks certainly stay on the bullets I size down from .322" to 312".

The one thing I would add is that when you size down the 8 mm bullets you may get a dimple in the gas check. That's OK, but it may be off centre and not round. That depends on the sprue. Even if it's just the lip of the crater from the sprue cut it's worth gently shaving the bases with a sharp knife - you're not trying to get to clean metal all over, just take the high spots and get it flat. Residual pits are OK. With the bases shaved flat the dimple with be round and centred.

In reality the clean base may not make all that much difference, but given the time and effort spent on the rest of the operation It would enhance satisfaction (mine anyway) at having done the job properly.

On the subject of lumpy sprues, we hear often enough that any damage to the base of the bullet must be detrimental. I think this should really be much more about the circumference of the base than about the central portion. For example, the article by Nils Kvale (Norma Ballistician at the time) in American Rifleman compared tangential filing at an angle on the nose of the bullet (little effect) with the same on the base (achieved an effect). It did not look at damage elsewhere on the base, only on the corner. Since all (?) the air drag is on the circumference, leaving a vacuum in the center of the base, I do wonder if damage in the central part of the base is as important as we think it is. Hence the last sentence of the previous paragraph.

 

You are only as good as your library.

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MP1886 posted this 14 July 2025

I have a pretty minty 7.7 they call the short rifle. The barrel perfect and I was glad to find out it slugs at .312.  I have a temperary little aperture I can't put on the rear sight and with it the rifle shoot very good to say the lease. The bullet it likes in the Lyman 314299 and Lyman 311284. 

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Lucky1 posted this 15 July 2025

Hopefully, it may surprise you. Dupraz had a scoped one back here that he shot quite well. The issue sights are better than most of that era and if they just had adjustable windage...... It'll be an adventure regardless.

Scott Ingle

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Glenn R. Latham posted this 15 July 2025

Scott, maybe you could have an "Axis Match" at the Military Nat's.  Might be fun...

 

Glenn

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Glenn R. Latham posted this 15 July 2025

Wilderness, thanks for the tips on sizing down a significant amount.  The only time I tried something like this was to size down some 7mm CBs to .278" for the 270 Win.  Worked fine in the Lee sizer but accuracy wasn't any better or worse than the Lee 270 CBs with an undersize nose.  I was looking for match accuracy, though.  Might try it for this 7.7 anyway.

Glenn

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Lucky1 posted this 15 July 2025

Why not an 'Axis' match. We already do a 'Frozen Mosin at DBR so I know they are out there. Had a newcomer with a beautiful K98 at our last match on Saturday too. Plus it'll fit in with the Crazy Carcano Carbine Competition too.

Scott Ingle

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shastaboat posted this 26 July 2025

That chrome lined bore should shoot good.

 

Because I said so!

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