The Cast Bullet Scope

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CB posted this 17 August 2009

Shooters

Is there such a thing as scopes that work better for range shooting and hunting using a cast bullet rifle or pistol. I feel there are. Ads that I remember as far back I can remember referred to scopes as either target shooting or for hunting especially deer hunting scopes.Though most shooting is oriented towards jacketed bullet shooting cast bullet shooting has always had a place in range shooting and hunting use. Like I said earlier until my pop dropped several cans of military in my lap I was a Cast guy, still are a Cast guy.

What I see as cast bullet scopes are those that have a wide firld of view thus 4-10 fixed power and 4-16x variable the standard 3-9x scope also works as well as any. Target shooting  Cast BR guys buy target scopes the same as other BR guys. For cast thicker reticles can help the shooters with tired eyes. But if you have good eyes the nice fine crosshairs like a Weaver ot Leupold make for precision holds. I had a Lyman 20x LWBR scope back in the 70's. The Lyman was tricky to use with my 25 year old eyes then, now it would depend on good and bad light condition days. I would stay away from a .0007 FCH today as I approach old guy status quickly. Dot reticles are nice for some shooters. What works best for me now are the thick crosshair scopes such Weaver K models and Tasco target models. I have a Burris 6x post and crosshair that makes a fine hunting scope especially for a guy or gal not having the 20/20 eyesight they once had. Some of us that never had 20/20 appreciate any scope that shows a better picture of the target or game.

Scopes for Cast bullet can be a lengthy subject for some to explain so let me stop here and open this up for some real life stories on using scopes for cast bullet rifle shooting.

Stephen Perry

Angeles BR:fire

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hunterspistol posted this 17 August 2009

      I came into this thing being taught by the older guys shooting NRA Hunter's Pistol and they naturally used cast.  One of them would load up jacketed for the Nationals and the serious competitions.  The first scope I looked through was a Bushnell 6-18X Amberbright. It was mounted on top of a .22lr barrel on a TC Contender(I know it's not a rifle).  These men were shooting the 'Any sights' category with rifle scopes mounted on pistols.

     Myself, I use a 4X12AO VXII Leupold the most, to see 100 meters. I know the scope will go 300 yards easy with a fine crosshair. Seems like overkill but, the big sight picture  and long eye relief  is easy on my eyes.

     On my rifles, same scope. The 22lr that's scoped wears a VX1, 4-12X.  The 7mm-08 I'm working on has a VXII.

      What I've noticed is that when you're shooting for relaxation, these scopes let me do it.  And on a silhouette range, they are famous.  Countless times while I'm shooting, I hear, ” Is that a Gold Ring Scope?” from the other firing stations.  People notice them, with good reason. When they are trying to figure out how you're repeatedly knocking down silhouettes with a pistol, the Gold Ring Leupold explains it.

    I also use them to spot, sight in other rifle scopes on the rifle range some weekends.

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CB posted this 17 August 2009

Hunter

It's really interesting to track the progress of Leupold scopes. I have a copy 1955 Shooters Bible. Lots of scopes in there from Companies very few of us have heard of.

A couple of examples Stith who I believe to be Redfield later had  5 scopes shown. Leupold had 4 scopes in 1955 all low power fixed scopes. Lyman had 6 scopes and 2 targetspots. Mossberg had 2 low power scopes. Weaver seemed like the big seller back in 1955. They had 8 scopes listed all at affordable prices. A couple more of the long forgotten scopes shown are Fecker and Kahles scopes. Fecker is a scope familiar to varmint/target shooters. Kahles looks interesting with 6 models made in Austria. What's interesting in 1955 no Japanese scopes shown

Moving up to 2006 Leupold shows 18 scopes with many options. Take a look at Bruno's list of Leupolds. I would say they are numero uno in todays scope market. I think I have 9 Leupold's most would be suited for Cast rifles. But I also 11 Weavers all good for Cast. I have 5 Lyman which I truely enjoy all suitable to Cast Rifles.

When you get right down to it most any scope would find it's way on to a Cast rifle. The only exception would be the reticles. Some shooters with poor eyes would stay away from fine crosshairs especially for a big game scope.

That's all I got. You guy's turn.

Stephen Perry

Angeles BR:fire

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hunterspistol posted this 17 August 2009

Here's a tip for the guy that wants to shoot a 50' indoor range in the winter using his 22lr.  I chose a Weaver V-16 without knowing it's focus range.  This scope will go all the way down to 20' of focus and out to miles!  Leupold needs a focus ring to go under 50'.  So, the 22lr pistol wears a Weaver V-16 (which by the way, is sensitive to eye relief on the outdoor range).

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LWesthoff posted this 18 August 2009

Somehow I seem to get the impression that Mr. Perry thinks cast bullet shooters really are just a step (maybe a step and a half) advanced from the Neanderthal. We need thick cross hairs 'cause we're all old guys who can't see, and we probably need fairly low power (old guys tremble a lot, you know). I'm looking at the first page - about half the total shooters - of the competitors at the Nationals in Kansas City last September. 25 shooters on that page. 8 Wesver 36 power. 6 Leupold 36 power. 3 BSA 36 power. One Weaver 24. One Tasco 36 and 2 B&L 36. One Leupold 45 and one Nightforce 42. (I'm getting tired and may have missed one or two.) Is that so very much different from the gear those jacketed bullet BR guys shoot? Incidentally, all that info and a lot more is available to anyone who is actually interested enough to join the CBA. It's all published in the Fouling Shot, along with a bunch of other stuff like Firearm Make, Bbl. Mfgr., Chamber throating, Mould mfgr. and Design No., Bullet wt. and alloy, nose and base diameter, powder charge and some more data. Of course, it's pretty expensive - $20 bucks a year - and it does NOT tell what kind of wind flags each competitor used.

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CB posted this 18 August 2009

Wersthoff

Against my better judgement and I promised Pat I would do my best to stay away from BR references, I Feel I know better than you about hi-power scopes. I have and shoot 4 Weaver 36x's dot and ch, Leupold 36x, B&L 36x, Leupold 45x in the works, Tasco 36x, Lyman AA 20x, Lyman 25/36x. If I only owned 1 scope I would be happy with it. There was a time I only had a Weaver 4x scope served me well I still have it.

 Why try and ruin a good Thread. Write your own Thread.

Stephen Perry

Angeles BR:fire

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LWesthoff posted this 18 August 2009

Once again, it seems Mr. Perry has been very careful to completely miss the point. I think maybe I can find better things to do than try to answer questions asked by someone who doesn't want answers.

Wes

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canalupo posted this 18 August 2009

West

Mr Perry has a thing about discussing the finest minutae of shooting. I believe he enjoys the discussion more than the info.

I personally have never noticed the difference in any scope I shoot. I fling lead with abandon. I usually hit what I shoot at and could care less if it is a tasco, bushnell or a magnifying glass on a stick. I try to avoid the hair splitting it just aggravates the elitists out there.

That's my two cents and I'm sticking with it.

Thanks and good luck.

Bob D

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roadie posted this 18 August 2009

LWesthoff, You have hit it dead center. Mr. Perry has absolutely no interest in getting answers, he already knows everything. For example, he “feels” he knows more about high power scopes then you do, now short of personally knowing you, I don't understand how he would draw a conclusion like that.

His history lesson from 1955, really does'nt impart much useful information other then what was available in 1955. His attempt to make it appear that “Cast Rifles” should require some special scope is quite laughable.

We must also remember that all this golden information that Mr. Perry has bestowed upon us is not in any way corroborated by actual results of his own shooting. The cast bullet test in the 6x47 was unfortunately a rather dismal failure due entirely, I'm sure, to shoddy equipment.

Of course it does help to have the needed equipment on hand, especially when you know the range you will shoot at runs uphill and especially when you are a highly experienced BR shooter, rather then a rank novice.

But much to his credit, he forged ahead and managed to shoot a small group in raging wind conditions.......with jacketed bullets.........the cast bullets got shot off into the weeds.

Oh well, maybe next time? In the meantime, we can all continue to learn at his knee.....(saw that on another site, almost made me puke)....but keep a shovel handy, it'll get deep real fast.

roadie

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billwnr posted this 18 August 2009

Parry, Looks like you have a bunch of outmoded scopes. You should get one good one and stick with it. Same with guns. Shoot one rifle, learn it's characteristics and you will be a better shooter.

I prefer the new style Leupold 40X scope. I don't have to have it froze. I shoot a Leupold 40X and a Weaver 36X in the Heavy class and a 6x Sightron in the military rifle class. They are all the target style scopes with turrets for easy adjustment.

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CB posted this 18 August 2009

Somebody show me where the kill button is so I can get rid of this Thread and the Boo Brothers that came on after me. Sorry Hunter we tried. What a waste of time. I ask for discussion I get garbage. Some of these guys need to write their own Threads so I can dump on them.

Stephen Perry

Angeles BR:fire

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Mike H posted this 19 August 2009

Stephen Perry wrote: Somebody show me where the kill button is so I can get rid of this Thread and the Boo Brothers that came on after me. Sorry Hunter we tried. What a waste of time. I ask for discussion I get garbage. Some of these guys need to write their own Threads so I can dump on them.

Stephen Perry

Angeles BR:fire

Steven,

           You appear to be singing off a different hymn sheet to the rest of us. Look at it this way, the CBA is all of us, no one owns particular threads, or postings. This latest  gem of yours, re scope reticule sizes, would be the greatest nonsense put into print for a long time. Why do you bother to post, when no one else`s input is wanted, unless it agrees with yours?

Mike.

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JetMech posted this 19 August 2009

I'm kinda with canalupo on this subject. Not being blessed with unlimited funds, and in no way interested in getting into a “who has the best equipment” war, I do the best I can with what I have. I, personally, find cast bullet shooting a pleasure no matter what the results, and more of a competition with myself to constantly improve upon my last score. It's often a matter of what I do during alloy blending, casting, loading and trigger time, rather than sinking more money in equipment that yield the best results.

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