Just fired my first ever cast loads

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Rumplestiltskin posted this 31 May 2009

That's right, I fired my hand cast reloads for the first time ever yesterday and I'm hooked! They shot very well for my first try, much better than I had anticipated. In fact they shot better than the factory ammo I bought to sight in the rifle. Granted, it was “cheap” Turkish stuff I had never seen before, but they held just over an inch at 100 yards. I figure it can only get better from here. A couple questions I had though 1. I noticed some powder in the barrel after I fired most of the rounds. My guess is that some of the powder is sticking to the Lee Liquid Alox that I'm lubing my the bullets with and depositing in the barrel. Is this normal with cast bullets and will it affect the barrel in any way?  I was shooting ~26 grains of Varget under a 171 grain LBT flat nose. I do plan on buying Star sizer and some White Label lube pretty soon, maybe this will solve the problem?

  1. Most of my .357 bullets have a dent in the base after going through the sizer. It seems like the nose pushing the preceding round out of the die is what's doing it. I only roll flat nosed bullets but it doesn't happen on my .308, just the 357.  I know Veral talks about cupping out the punch a bit so that just the perimeter makes contact with the gas check and sort of straddles any imperfection in the bullet base. Any thoughts?

Thanks for everyone's help making my first cast bullet experience a blast!!!:dude:;}

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BruceV posted this 01 June 2009

Excellent! Slightly over 1 MOA at 100 yds. is outstanding. What caliber are you firing? Pictures? Sincerely. Bruce.

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JetMech posted this 01 June 2009

Great results with the 308! How do you seat the gas checks?

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Rumplestiltskin posted this 01 June 2009

Gas checks slide on the base with fingers then they're crimped on through the die while sizing. Sorry, no pics this time but I'll get some soon. Any suggestions on the above questions?

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JetMech posted this 01 June 2009

It sounds as if they are not seating all the way. I use a Lyman 450, and it has a gas check seating adapter. If you are using another sizer, try putting a small steel plate over the sizing die, seat the check by hand, set it on the plate and push down on the nose with the ram/correct top punch. If they seat another .050 or so, you'll know how to fix that problem.

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CB posted this 01 June 2009

It sound like to me that you are using a Lee sizing setup with liquid alox. The dent will be normal using this set up. A Lyman or a RCBS sizer wont do that, but are considerable more money. Dont know about if the star with dent the gas check. I have 2 of the darn things but II use it mainly for plain based pistol bullets.

Glad to hear you had a good first experience! Keep sending them downrange!

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Duane Mellenbruch posted this 01 June 2009

It sounds like you are sizing the bullets with a Lee push through kit.  To make sure that you are getting maximum travel, please place the push rod in the shell holder and raise the ram to the maximum height and leave it there while you screw the sizer die into the press until it makes contact and then back off about a half turn.  Adjustment in this manner will probably push the pistol bullet fully through the die and you will have no more dents or flat noses.  (did you get my PM on this?)  Duane

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hunterspistol posted this 01 June 2009

:idea1:  That's what started me into cast bullets, the 'better than factory' and 500 at a time bulk! It's great when it works out. 

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Rumplestiltskin posted this 01 June 2009

I am indeed using a Lee sizer, I'll try screwing the dies in further to see if the ram will get them out instead of the next bullet. I did get the pm Duane, thanks for all your prompt replies. Jeff, not to extort you but if you've got a spare Star that doesn't get much use and you'd be willing to part with it I'd be more than willing to pay a pretty penny for it. Just a thought, drop me a pm if you're interested. Thanks again.

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Rumplestiltskin posted this 01 June 2009

I just seated/sized after screwing in the dies a bit more and it solved the problem. Stupid me, sometimes it's the simplest thing. Thanks Duane.

It sounds like some powder in the barrel is fairly normal? Why is this, seems I never noticed it after factory loads? Also, will the powder negatively affect the barrel in any way? Like if the first round leaves deposit and I shoot over it, and so on and so forth.....

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CB posted this 01 June 2009

I wish I could part with one, but they get quite a workout where they are.. I cast a lot of bullets for other folks that are now too old to do it themselves so they can keep shooting. If I come across someone wanting to part with one I will let you know.

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hunterspistol posted this 01 June 2009

  The unburnt powder thing isn't going to hurt much. With factory loads, you generally get a fast-burning powder and jacketed bullets. Your cast lead bullets will seal tighter to the rifling and push out all the unburnt residue with each shot.  Jacketed doesn't squeegee that well.  It's just a little dirtier that's all.  I have a real accurate 22 Hornet load that uses IMR 4227(a rifle powder) that I shoot in a 10” pistol barrel.  It just looks less professional but, sometimes shoots a lot better than other powders. The guys have been after me to switch to Unique but, there's not much point. I clean barrels all the time in between loading sessions.

     Don't worry about the residue unless you want to re-tune an already fine load and then, most times it doesn't get the same accuracy.

Life's too short.

PS:  I found that mineral spirits paint thinner from the hardware store cleans cast lead residue better than Hoppe's #9 (copper solvent). Doesn't eat the wire in the brushes either. Rubbing alcohol will stop the corrosion on your bristle brushes.

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WILDCATT posted this 14 June 2009

unburnt powder means the powder is wrong or it is not burning fully and needs more pressure.I use Red Dot in 06 and 308 and all my military loads. 13 grs in 06 and same in others.

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