38-55 T/C Contender

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Aaron posted this 06 September 2024

Having received a Bullberry barrel in 38-55 Win for my Contender, I decided to hunt with it this year. Load development was a chore since my other 38-55s are rifles with .380 groove diameter. Bullberry, and other manufactures of 38-55 barrels use .375" barrel blanks.

Fortunately I have a 375-JDJ so I used the Accurate mold for it (AM-376265D) to cast off some .375" bullets. I also used some NOE 379-235-RF bullets, resized from .379 to .376 to make some test loads. Unlike 19th century loads for the 38-55, I wanted to get a little more boiler pressure and the resultant velocity. I open up QuickLOAD to see what propellants would give me maximum case fill and highest burn percentage while keeping chamber pressure below 44,000 PSI.

IMR-3031 fit the bill with both the 224gr and 265gr bullets. It actually burned cleaner than I had anticipated. I tested the loads and still have all of my fingers. The scope was zeroed for 50 yards and to my surprise, I was getting very small groups. I cleaned the barrel and fired a zero check with two rounds. The both struck dead center with about 1" between them

I'll write all this up in grandiose fashion for the Fouling Shot and submit it for future publication. I'll keep it brief here.

The Bullberry barrel will chamber Starline 2.125" long 38-55 brass with the .376" bullets as well as those loaded for the 1894 rifle with .380" bullets. I was pleasantly surprised to discover that after getting the barrel last year. It has a great throat.

The load used today and in the future is with Starline 2.125" brass, 32gr IMR-3031, Winchester Large Rifle primers, the Accurate Mold 376265D bullet cast in WW metal and drop quenched, as well as the NOE 379-235-RF cast with the hollow point pin giving me a 224gr bullet in Lyman #2 alloy. Both bullets are lubed with White's 50/50 lube and a Lyman gas check is on the 265gr bullet.

Cartridge length is 2.615" with the Accurate bullet and 2.417" with the NOE bullet. Everything worked fine today. Cartridges fired great. No high pressure signs. Easy extraction, normal primer sign. I will get these fired over a chronograph soon to see what kind of velocity I am getting. The lighter bullets at 224gr had more felt recoil than the heavier 265gr bullets. I am still pondering that. They smoked more too. Interesting.

Bullberry 38-55 Win barrel, Leopold 4x EER scope.

L-R  NOE 379-235-RF bullet with HP at 224gr. Cartridge with Accurate 376265D bullet. Accurate 376265D bullet with Lyman GC seated.

This girl has a tad bit of recoil. Manageable recoil but you better be ready for it.

 

 

 

With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.

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Tom Acheson posted this 06 September 2024

Years ago, we had informal handgun silhouette practice on Thursday afternoons. One of our shooters showed up with a 10” TC chambered in 444 Marlin.

He asked all of us to fire (5) jacketed rounds, to help him fire form the brass. Each of us drew blood.

I wonder how that recoil compares to Aaron’s 38-55?

Tom

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Aaron posted this 06 September 2024

The recoil of this 38-55 is brisk and one must be ready for it. Allowing the gun to recoil some with a moderate grip dampens the sharpness. The 375-JDJ on the other hand is crisp. The recoil is directed straight into the wrist and the torque is amazing. When shooting these larger calibers, I have to use intense focus to prevent flinching. I figure the recoil of this cartridge is similar to the 444 Marlin due to bullet weight (265gr) and similar charge weights. I have JD Jones’s 45-70 300gr load but do NOT fire these anymore in an unported 14” barrel. That load is brutal and can kill on both ends of the gun. My gunsmith friend in Virginia, who “knew all about Contenders”, peeled the skin and meat off his thumb, down to the bone, when he touched the trigger when the muzzle was pointed up and he only had one hand on the gun. Had to run him to the hospital. The original triggers on the Contenders are amazing. The new G2 triggers are lousy for a trained shooter. They must be on the order of 10 pounds. Anyway, the recoil is probably close to the 444, but manageable. One has to know what’s about to happen, and allow it to happen. Bullseye!

With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.

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Lee Guthrie posted this 06 September 2024

I have used a Contender with .375 Win barrel for hunting for many years with the 265 gr Lyman FNGC design.  When loaded near max it is impressive on whitetail deer, and also in recoil even with its muzzle brake.  Still nowhere near what the 14" .450 Marlin does to you when you touch it off -- so much so that I quit load development before finishing the project: it was much worse than my .45-70.

 

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Aaron posted this 06 September 2024

Lee, was that 375 a Contender or an Encore?

With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.

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linoww posted this 07 September 2024

I have a 14"  375 Win  Contender I've yet to shoot handloads.it came with factory ammo and thst was less than enjoyable. 

you obviously can handle more recoil than me! I'm a whimp.

The RCBS and SAECO 265g Gaschecks shoot good in my 375H&H and those were my plan for the 375

"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!

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Aaron posted this 07 September 2024

I have a 14"  375 Win  Contender I've yet to shoot handloads.it came with factory ammo and thst was less than enjoyable. 

you obviously can handle more recoil than me! I'm a whimp.

The RCBS and SAECO 265g Gaschecks shoot good in my 375H&H and those were my plan for the 375

Having shot large caliber handguns like the 454 Casull and the SSK Hand-cannons, I have developed a tolerance to it by learning the proper grip strength on the proper grip material. Lengthy discussion there.

I have to admit however that now, as I age, I have less grip strength (those pesky jars of pickles) and a lot less desire to shoot the hard kicking handguns. I also feel it strongly now in the wrists. The Contenders are now harder to tolerate than the Revolvers. ALL of my hard kicking revolvers have smooth wood grips on them to allow "slippage" like a clutch. Even the Freedom Arms Casull, is easier to shoot. The Contenders recoil straight back until the torque twists your wrist out of line.

It now takes intense focus on my part to let loose a round with these hard kickers. I am enjoying the Ruger MK IV a lot more lately.

I'll load up some BP cartridges for the Contender barrel and see how they do. Generally they recoil less than the smokeless. All that smoke aggravates the "Tactical" dudes at the range. Yup. I'll load some BP cartridges for it. surprised

 

With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.

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linoww posted this 07 September 2024

When I got my super blackhawk  in 1987  I did nothing but shoot full powered loads out of it and thought it was wonderful. As I age I now do not enjoy such things. I can still  hang in for a few shots with full powered loads but it's not fun. 

 

"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!

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Aaron posted this 4 weeks ago

Mounted the 38-55 on the brand new SSK-50 Frame. The SSK frame is just like the Gen-1 Contender frames. It's beautiful. Trigger is CRISP and adjustable for creep and over-travel. Like the original T/C frames, you better not even THINK about touching the trigger unless you are ready to shoot. Tried original T/C barrels, SSK Industries (JD Jones) barrels, and Bullberry barrels. All fit wonderfully.

If it wasn't pouring rain, I would be out there bursting terrorist water bottles.

With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.

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Lucky1 posted this 4 weeks ago

Thanks Aaron for the SSK review. I've been eyeing those and a good word helps. On the subject of recoil, Contenders and otherwise, even after 50 plus years of 44 mag use I'm finding a Past shooting glove or a weight lifting glove helps my hand a lot after a silhouette match. A little extra padding does protect the bones enough to matter the next day. Tonight is Long Range night so time to check the gear.

Scott Ingle

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Aaron posted this 3 weeks ago

Yup. I use the glove mostly for my support hand to keep the trigger guard from slapping my left middle finger. Those gloves also help take some of the "jitter" off of the scope. I use them a lot.

 

With rifle in hand, I confidently go forth into the darkness.

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