CBA and the 22RF

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frnkeore posted this 20 July 2016

A question that I've never thought to ask before is: Why doesn't CBA have a class for 22RF competition? It seems like it would be a natural this in lead bullet competition but, I've never heard it discussed by any one.  Has the BoD ever discussed this, either current or long ago? Do any of the current membership have any desire to shoot 22RF in matches? Frank

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Ed Harris posted this 20 July 2016

If you would volunteer to honcho a postal match, handle the entries, mail out the targets, do the scoring and handle the awards and post the results, a pilot could be tried. But the Director of Postal Competitions already has a full schedule without making more work and not having more help.

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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frnkeore posted this 20 July 2016

Ed,Thank you for the reply. Have you ever heard any talk about it before? I've never heard any here and because some of the forum member are on the BoD, I thought that I may get more info of any past discussion. If there was a postal, wouldn't there have to be a class for it, to be able to shoot the postal? Frank

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Westhoff posted this 20 July 2016

Paul Bunyan Rifle and Sportsman's Club usually has a 200 yard .22 rf match about once every year. It's a fun match, with a very nominal entry fee. It is not sponsored by CBA, but it's fun.

Wes

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358156hp posted this 20 July 2016

I'd be amazed if the CBA would do anything with it. 22 RF has nothing to do with cast bullets or handloading, and such a move could open competition to jacketed bullet classes as well. All of this is outside the CBAs mission statement, at least the way I read it.

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frnkeore posted this 20 July 2016

358156hp wrote: I'd be amazed if the CBA would do anything with it. 22 RF has nothing to do with cast bullets or handloading, and such a move could open competition to jacketed bullet classes as well. All of this is outside the CBAs mission statement, at least the way I read it. That's not really true or, at least it doesn't have to be and I can't see any jacketed bullet conection that could be made. 

I hand load and shoot cast bullets in my 22RF. I shoot the PB class and they could and should fall into that classification. 

I shot in CBA matches, before there was a PB class and now that there is one, it shows that CBA does have flexability. The addition of the Milsurp classes, shows that also. I'd be interested in anyones input on this to see what interest there is.

Frank

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Ed Harris posted this 20 July 2016

If somebody cast their own bullets and handloaded their own rimfire ammo, they coukd enter in the appropriate weight class.

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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John Alexander posted this 20 July 2016

frnkeore wrote: If there was a postal, wouldn't there have to be a class for it, to be able to shoot the postal? Frank Frank,  We have people doing postal matches in all kinds of made up classes that people have an interest in.

Tom's practical pistol matches, Dave Federline break-open matches, and my running the precursor to what is now our hunting rifle class for four years are all examples. Pat iffland's muzzle loader class which he managed here on the forum didn't even have a connection to our postal match program.  There are a lot of ways to skin this cat if somebody is willing to do the work and there are interested shooters. Turning a successful individually run odd ball postal match into a regular CBA postal match or even an official CBA class is one way for the CBA to stay flexible. We have a formal procedure to do that in our rules using postal matches to demonstrate real as opposed to imagined interest.

John

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frnkeore posted this 20 July 2016

John, If I could get a shoot organized as a side match, at either the Roseburg or Springfield (or both), Oregon matches, would it be possible or, alloed to have the results reported in the match results for the two monthly matches?

Frank

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R. Dupraz posted this 20 July 2016

"Cast Bullet Cartridge - An assembled round consisting of a primed center-fire cartridge case, a propellant charge, and a bullet meeting the requirements of 4.1.'' If you want to shoot your 22 RF in matches join the ARA and shoot with those boys.      

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John Alexander posted this 21 July 2016

frnkeore wrote:John, If I could get a shoot organized as a side match, at either the Roseburg or Springfield (or both), Oregon matches, would it be possible or, alloed to have the results reported in the match results for the two monthly matches?

Frank Frank, A rimfire match would not qualify as a registered CBA match so shouldn't have the results reported as such.  However, If someone wanted to organize that type of competition as a side match the results could be reported here on the forum. Or an article reporting on the match could be submitted to Glenn for possible publication in TFS.    As I see it CBA already has more classes than we have shooters for. We have at least three classes that often attract fewer than four competitors to the nationals.  Having more classes to better fit the interests of more shooters and thus attract more competitors sounds attractive until you read the match reports where some classes only have one or no shooters.  One shooter isn't a competition. John

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frnkeore posted this 21 July 2016

John, I agree with that but, since the 22RF has existed, there have been a wealth of shooters, at the ready for 22RF matches. It seems to have, overall more shooters, nation wide. There are also, many OH indoor matches for them. Great for the winter months.

There are also, great goobs of Model 52 and 37's out there needing to be shot and fondled again. CBA seems like a excellent place for them. The modern 22's with there 50 yard matches, aren't attractive to me, plus they allow machine rest type bench rests.

Frank

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norm posted this 21 July 2016

Frank, 22RF matches already exist. NRA sanctioned.

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frnkeore posted this 21 July 2016

Part of my point is, that they exist, almost everywhere BUT CBA.

I shoot 22RF in both ISSA & ASSRA. I'm curious as if they were ever considered in CBA. It seem like they would good hand & hand with any lead bullet sport.

22RF is just another way of challaging yourself with lead bullets. We all need that, don't we?

Frank

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RicinYakima posted this 21 July 2016

The only 22RF match I would consider shooting is Military Training Rifle matches.

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 21 July 2016

about 30 years ago i decided that a great leap forward in understanding lead bullets could be created by having an interest group ( class ) for shooting fully swaged bullets . ( this urge came about when i measured the runout in my 20 or so molds ) ...

this project kinda ground to a halt when me and my 3 other revolutionaryists observed that the ” they ” in the cba was really going to be ” me and 3 cohorts ” ...

dang , still fun to complain about what great break-throughs we probably avoided ...

one trouble with 22 rf is they would require ara type multi-bull targets....or moving backers ....hard to authenticate those 1-hole groups ya know .... heh just funnin ya ...

wait ! aren't 22 rf bullets swaged ??....criminy !!

ken

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Tom Acheson posted this 21 July 2016

Rule 4.2...... a primed center-fire cartridge...... Mmmm.....

Tom

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frnkeore posted this 21 July 2016

Yes, I know all about the rules. The thing that I'm most curious about is, since the 22RF uses lead bullets and CBA uses lead bullets, it seems like it would be a natural inclusion. Do you think that it's because it was perceived that the 22RF wasn't reloadable?

Is there any history regarding the reason that 22RF wasn't included into CBA?

Frank

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Tom Acheson posted this 21 July 2016

I can't comment on the history of the development of the CBA rules. At one time (and maybe still) the NRA and IHMSA for their rimfire handgun silhouette events, had a rule prohibiting the disassembly of rimfire cartridges and reloading them with shooter selected bullets and powder. They cited safety (shooter and spotter/observers) and target damage as the reasons.

Just additional info, not a promotion of what the CBA should or should not be doing.

Tom

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frnkeore posted this 21 July 2016

"NRA and IHMSA for their rimfire handgun silhouette events, had a rule prohibiting the disassembly of rimfire cartridges and reloading them with shooter selected bullets and powder.They cited safety (shooter and spotter/observers) and target damage as the reasons."

The ASSRA has a rule about not allowing the disasembly of 22RF at the bench but, it only applies at the bench and there is no bullet or powder rule.

Addressing the above, I've been shooting breech seated, 22RF since 1988. You use the same loading technic's as CF. If you work a load up like you do a CF load, the same dangers apply. Who hasn't pierced a primer with their CF loads? I've popped RF cases, they let go at lower pressures and there is much less gas to escape, there for a safer perimeter than CF primers. The case head is as small as you can make a 22 providing less bolt thrust, too.

In the standard length 22RF, sporting chamber, I have shot 58 gr Lee bullets, to 1325 fps @ safe pressures, using B'eye powder (1.8 gr). You can attain even higher velocity using Unique or powders slower than that.

I started this because of the price of the Eley and RWS ammo, back in the '80's and it's way higher now.

Frank

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Tom Acheson posted this 21 July 2016

Frank,

Maybe the Postal route is the way to go to try to inspire interest in this, like Ed suggested above. But be forewarned not all new Postal events or categories end up in the formal BR match program. Hunter and Unrestricted Pistol are two that migrated to the top. Recent newer Postal events like the BOXH (break open exposed hammer), Timed Fire Handgun and the BPCR have not made the transition and probably won't. But they are fun to do despite their informal status.

John summarized it pretty good in showing us that we have too few shooters spread out over maybe too many gun categories in the BR program.

My favorite rifle, a BPCR Sharps, will not be a CBA BR category but I can use it in a few Postals, which is great, I have fun!

Tom

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