Hello everyone, I have not looked for brass for about 3yrs and these 2 company's seem to have pulled all there product from reloaders. I called both and they will not give a straight answer about it. Midway, Graph & Sons, Midsouth each give a different answer and each time you ask. I know some of you have inside connections, and I am tired of hearing of the end of the shooting sports answers I keep finding. I picked up a nice Savage in 250 savage and started to look for brass so I can shoot it. I have not picked up factory loaded centerfire in over 25yrs. Are they doing what Federal did a few years ago? I had to take a break from shooting & reloading for a while as life got in the way and that is now passed, just need some brass for this new rifle. I have what I need for all my others. Thank You all, Take Care, Rick
What happened to Winchester and Remington Brass?
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With the great political unpleasantness in this country the past 8 years, many manufacturers have suspended production of components, and loaded ammunition that are not high performing sellers. They are focusing their efforts on the big sellers that seem to be in constant short supply. Right now, I see great emphasis on military calibers, and on self-defense grade ammo. There are also large military contracts being filled. You may be able to find some 250 Savage brass on one of the auction sites, or you could simply neck up 22-250 Remington brass, since the 250 Savage is the parent case for that very popular cartridge.
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Nitro, its my understanding theirs such a demand for loaded ammo due to political fears that the companys are using all their case output for loaded cartridges. Low demand cases like the 250 sav. and 35 rem. are called seasonal and the cases are only drawn in short runs. Frank C.
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These days the supply of cups for case manufacture is inadequate to satisfy demand. During the Vietnam war there were three producers of first-draw cups for small arms ammo: Scovill, Anaconda and Olin. The first two are no longer in the cup business. Olin is the sole source, and prioritizes its production for government requirements. Civilian production must make do with the leftovers.
Some cups are available from offshore producers, notably Korea, and to a lesser extent from Israel, Sweden and Russia, but they sell world wide and the supplies of some sizes specific to sporting calibers is limited.
With the military replacing depleted stocks and law enforcement buying huge quantities, domestic manufacturers emphasize supplying loaded ammunition to contract customers. Brass for reloading is lowest in the list of priorities. That is why you will see stocks of reloading brass for low volume calibers dry up, as it is produced for seasonal runs only.
I expect that as long as Starline can get cups, it will dominate the reloading brass business and I expect within ten years they will have a monopoly in it.
73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia
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During the Vietnam war there were three producers of first-draw cups for small arms ammo: Scovill, Anaconda and Olin. The first two are no longer in the cup business. Olin is the sole source, and prioritizes its production for government requirements. Civilian production must make do with the leftovers.
Thanks for that information, Ed.
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To the best of my knowledge, only Starline and Federal, ATK, brass is made in the US. You may be able to find some Nosler, east European, if you look hard. Again, in 22/250 that you can expand to 250 Savage.
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Thank You all for the to the point answers. I have found some 250 savage Hornaday brass, but after all the bad 17 hornet early brass I had. And there 204rugar after that out of 100 cases I could not use 11. My brother eroded the bolt face around the primer with factory loaded rounds on his Savage 25 before I could tell him to find his brass he shot and look for leaking primers as he does not reload. When he told me his bolt face looked funny. Those of you that have used there brass of late how has it been for you in quality?
Thank you for the quick replies, you are the best. Take Care, Rick
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I forgot to add that I necked up 22-250 to 250savage and they came up almost .020 short of min trim length. Thank You Ric for the tip but I want to cast for this and I think that might be a bit short? Thank's again, Rick
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of you get desperate, long ago i used 250 sav. brass for 22-250. i have a cigar box of that .... not sure of condition ...if interested i will search my stash . pm me if .
ken
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If you get real industrious you can make 250's from 243's or even 308. That would take dire circumstances to make me do that.
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This is just an indication of the future. I pick up all the brass I can, even if you don't have a firearm of that caliber it can be swapped with someone that does. Frank C.
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Norma and Lapua supplies lots of rifle brass...better quality also.
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Remington and Winchester brass doesn't impress me as being of any better quality than the Serbian brass PPU. The Priv. P. brass was worked fine for my uses and it's less expensive too. Gp
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Treating us like the red headed stepchild will just open the door for more overseas brass and components. Frank C.
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I'm still using FA .30-'06 brass from the 1940s which seems to last longer than the new stuff. It has the reddish color like Norma, rather than the yellow color of new stuff. More copper...
73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia
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I am even using ww1 WRA 30 USA brass....( 30-40K)and SL43 and Den 42 30-06, ww1 45acp, etc . And how about 22-3000 G&H and 22WCF(aka 22hornet) brass. so don't throw away older brass, care for it and USE IT.
Good 'ol stuff, as Ed said
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I'm still reloading with Civil War issue paper cartridges. Getting a bit tattered now but still going strong. I think it's due to the high rag content found in quality paper from 150 years ago. :)
Seriously, I too am working with FA brass from the 30's. Some of the best '06 brass I ever used. Anneal the necks every now and then to keep them supple. Come to think of it, my newest '06 brass is a batch of LC-69.
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Good Morning all, Thank You for all the great replies. I answered my own question on Hornady brass. I forgot my brother inlaw picked up a un-opened box of 358win Hornady brass he gave me for Christmas, and it looks like very nice stuff. No odd weights +or- about 1gr over 50. Necks are very nicely beveled and round and uniform length. It so far looks great. So I ordered 2 boxes of 250 Savage from Brownells and should get it Friday. We will see. After the early 17hornet that I had to throw away as primer pockets were so bad, I didn't want to ruin my bolt or worse. And the 2 boxes they warranty'ed were just as bad. I will let you know how it is here in this post when I get it. If it is anything like the 358win box that I have I will be very happy. As it looks a lot better than the Winchester brass I have. Thank You again, Rick
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Here are some from the '30s which I have a good supply of, thanks to Bob Mills.
73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia
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I have some 32 Winchester Special head stamped Speer/DWM. How old are they?
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I have some Speer/DWM 30/06 that I bought in about 1972. They are loaded in 10 round boxes, one piece, with a string around them that you pull to open the box. They were old stock when I bought them, likely from the mid-j1960's.
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