Driving Band

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bigbore52 posted this 20 November 2015

Have a question that some leaned people here may like to comment and provide opinion please.

Take the example of the Postell cast which most are familiar with - it has a driving (or compression) ring at the front of the projectile before the lube grooves...I know some loaders who use that to seat the projectile to - in other words they sit the projectile deep enough that the case lip covers that band and is crimped over it in their final stage of loading...thus ending up with a slightly shorter load and a tighter seating......others including myself, usually seat the projectile to that band so the brass lip sits against it, not over it.

Not wanting to open a discussion as to seating depths as that's entirely different to what I am asking

Now I can imagine there are pros and cons for either method and it would very much depend on the chamber specifics as to whether they will chamber that way - some rifles I have won't because I've tried it - the outside diameter is too great once the brass is over that lip, obviously tight chambers specs but others will

Black powder is not an exact science and pretty forgiving in a lot of things but is the design of that projectile and other similar ones with such a rim, made specifically to act as seal and if so should it be enclosed by the case? Equally, I'd imagine all sort of issues may occur loading them that way but those I know who do it, swear by it and won't change.......my view being it's their decision and what works best for them but aside from some cases not chambering , I could not tell any difference one way or t'other as to accuracy, fouling or recoil etc???.

Any clues or suggestions to open a discussion on it, opinions etc?...I would be interested to hear what others think........thanks.....Lee

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PETE posted this 20 November 2015

Lee,

The old timers always told me it was the scraping band to keep the black powder residue from building up.

Pete

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bigbore52 posted this 20 November 2015

Yep, I'd heard that one Pete along with used so to overcome accuracy on worn barrels - they cast a larger band as easier than making another mould.

I suppose the logic was the same for cannons etc when the barrels wore out after a few rounds - classic being the large artillery pieces of WW1 and WW2 - they had a progression of slightly larger projectiles to fit in sequence to account for barrel erosion and still maintain some accuracy before replacing the barrel and equally they made the slugs larger or used a driving band.

Now usually rifles don't suffer that sort of wear so am wondering if the design of these cast bullets goes along similar lines or maybe a case of “that's how it was done and no need to change"?

Can read lots of comments on the muzzle stuffers and round balls getting good accuracy when packed in etc so my curiosity beggars an answer on why some moulds have them, others not and what's the logic for the answer?

Thanks Pete

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Dirtybore posted this 22 November 2015

By the time the appropriate amount of black powder is placed in the cartridge along with the over powder wad, the bullet can be seated at any depth necessary. It really doesn't matter about the bullet, it does matter about powder quantity, powder compression, and whether or not a grease cookie is Incorporated into the load. The grease cookie isn't necessary when a grease groove bullet is used but it becomes necessary with a paper patch bullet. The real dictating item is making sure the bullet is seated deep enough that the loaded cartridge will chamber.

Happiness is using the holy black.

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