FS 238 "Our Future" and "...Match attendance" articles

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JeffinNZ posted this 13 November 2015

238 arrived and I devoured it rapidly per previous issues. Great to see the executive opening a discussion on the future of the organisation etc.  Mitch refers to 15% of the membership being active of the competitive shooters of which many of these are on the board of directors.  A common theme even in my part of the world.  My club has the thick end of 400 members now and on a good working bee 20 will turn up.  Far too many people are happy to let someone else do all the work and short of draconian measures this situation is rather difficult to change. In terms of getting greater participation in competitions the primary factor here surely is the motivation for folk to join the CBA in the beginning.  For me, living in little old New Zealand at the bottom of the world, the reason for joining was to be involved in an organisation that specialises in a discipline that I have embraced with gusto; shooting lead alloy bullets and the experimentation that goes with said.  If you think CBE shooters in the US are a small group you should try being a lead chucker in a population of a little over 4 million in the South Pacific.  I am quite the crank (and proud of it).  Short of postal matches I can't compete and with a family on the go even the postals are a challenge.  I guess what I am trying to say is that a membership of the CBA does not indicate a desire to compete per se.  Worth considering also is a fundamental change in our society.  Everyone wants everything NOW and the fix and repair culture is all but dead.  The vast majority of shooters here, and I suspect in the US also, want a flashy new shootin' iron and cheap factory ammo to use, abuse and discard.  Evidence of this is the amount of spent steel cases at my range.  Buy a black rifle and a case of cheap ammo, blaze away, go home and do something else.  They want to shoot but not necessarily to go beyond that.  I suspect most don't or worse, CAN'T clean their firearms.  In addition you have the economical side of cast lead bullets.  My start was 50/50 an extension of handloading and a desire for economy.  People these days appear to have more disposable income so possibly the economy side is not an issue to them.  Certainly a lot do not handload judging by the amount of brass I collect at my club and cash in to invest in powder and primers (yes, a thrifty crank).  Anyways, I am interested to hear from others on the subject and future of the CBA.  BTW, I am 46 years old.  What is our average membership age; do we know?

Cheers from New Zealand

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bushranch posted this 14 November 2015

The Black Rifle situation is very evident here. It seems to be part of a 3 part program ie: (1) Watch the movie (2) play the video game ” (3) go to the range and live shoot (1) & (2) . Range Officers now have to insist shooters actually post a target and direct shots toward it.  Most shooting is by way of imported military ammunition .

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gpidaho posted this 14 November 2015

The CBA has added SO much to the enjoyment of my weaponry. (toys) Having time in retirement to experiment with cast bullets fills a lot of my days. I've always been one of the minority that enjoys the load tinkering and hand loading experiments more than the actual time spent shooting. (this works out well for the younger members of the family also) As I've posted before, I don't have any real interest in competitive shooting, personal best are good enough for me. I have enough OCD issues with out worrying if my groups are + - !/8 of an inch off another shooters. Lots of ways to enjoy our cast bullet hobby and competing is just one of many. Very glad to be a member here. Gp

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John Carlson posted this 14 November 2015

I also spent a few years just loading my 223 target action trying to improve my personal best. Eventually wanted to expand into competition and found the most/best opportunities were offered by the CBA in the form of military matches. Not only offers the additional aggravation of trying to perfect the bullet making process on top of the load development business but I can compete with a $300 rifle instead of a $3000+ rifle. (OK, I did spend a couple bucks on “upgrades") I already knew a few great people who were involved in the sport and met quite a few more. As we head into another winter of limited shooting opportunities I look forward to developing a strategy for doing a little better next summer than I did the last.

John Carlson. CBA Director of Military Competition.

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Ed Harris posted this 15 November 2015

Giorgio and I have enjoyed a similar dialogue via email.

I got frustrated with competition shooting years ago, because the rifle classes other than Production or Military had no basis in reality, and the rules seemed constructed to encourage people to build winning “rule beater” rifles, rather than to encourage new shooters to use the ordinary hunting rifles they already owned.

The great majority of my shooting these days is with practical, simple guns which I actually hunt with and enjoy carrying afield.

The greatest enjoyment is from firing as-issued vintage militaries, or pre-1960 sporting arms and pistols and revolvers which are well suited for legal concealed carry, for personal protection.

I sold all of my benchrest rifles and dedicated NRA style Bullseye target pistols. I love cowboy guns and classic hunting rifles of any description and WW2-era militaries.

Real guns are blued steel and walnut. I enjoyed ARs before they were fashionable, but I no longer own one. To my eye the most beautiful rifle is the '03 Springfield, the prewar WInchester Model 70 or Winchester 54 iron-sighted boltgun with clip slot or il carabino di liberazione, aka the M1 Garand.

Of course, modern Marlin lever actions are on my approved list, as are all Ruger single-actions.

I am a dinosaur.... Others please chime in, I rather doubt that I am wandering in the wilderness alone...

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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Dirtybore posted this 15 November 2015

I'm a dinosaur also. My first love is muzzleloaders of the traditional flavor. Next comes lever action rifles and black powder cartridge rifles. That is followed closely by old military surplus bolt action rifles. I've never owned a magnum rifle till 2014 when I purchased a 7mm Rem Mag.

Plastic stocks don't exist in my world except under one condition. I've discovered while water fowl hunting with my nephew that synthetic stocks do have a purpose. They belong on pump & semi-auto shotguns that have to spend time in duck blinds, in flooded fields, and other water fowl habitat the would destroy any other firearm.

When it comes to handguns, it's either a muzzleloader or a revolver.

As for competition, you won't find me on the firing line unless it's with a muzzleloader and dressed in 1820 or 30's attire. I love rendezvous. Nuff said.

If Ed Harris feels as if he's wandering in the wilderness, he has a long way to go to find me. Look back in time, it's the holy black and flintlock firearms that makes my heart pump.

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PETE posted this 15 November 2015

+1 Ed,

Making some high dollar bench gun shoot well is relatively easy. Where I get my enjoyment is taking a stock factory rifle and getting it shoot well. I think that is what I see most of the membership are here for. That's why I think Ed's posts ar

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 15 November 2015

since it is a slow weekend, i am taking the liberty of posting pics of some old guns ... a couple win 54 in 30-06 ... and a remmy 721 in 300 sav.....all old classics ... and yep i like to fondle'em and run some hoppes thru'em .


it is a tragedy that very few of today's yutes have no clue how rewarding these working tools can be to we simple folks ... but then i don't see them excited about hammers y saws and welding rods either ...

maybe that is why caster shooters might be getting scarcier lately . some hope tho .. 2 of grandkids like to stop by and shoot tin cans ...

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 15 November 2015

test rem 722

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 15 November 2015

test couple m54

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john.dejarnette posted this 16 November 2015

Ken. Those are beautiful rifles. They will continue to serve for generations.

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RicinYakima posted this 16 November 2015

I too am a sucker for 1940's and '50's customs; here is a neat rifle, even if I don't like the style. It was so cheap at a local gun shop I bought it anyway. 350 Apex magnum (.358 Ackley short) by Bob Apex, stock by Monty Kennedy, and unknown for sure engraver.

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RicinYakima posted this 16 November 2015

Floor plate engraving.

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tlkeizer posted this 16 November 2015

Greetings

I guess I am slightly after dinos and a bit before milleniums. I have gone modern with caplock rather than flitlock (after all, JeffinNZ, I am just a kid as I have been on Medicare/Medicaid 4 days now). There is a model 99, a Garand, and a 1964 model 70 in the cabinet with the trapdoors. I might see about shootin in some of the postals with a MZ before the decade is out. BTW, I do like and appreciate the engraving Ricinyakima.

TK

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 16 November 2015

dang, ricin .... that is pretty .... i am betting that there ” right price ” you paid was relative ....

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R. Dupraz posted this 16 November 2015

All of the above.

Dinosaur #16

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RicinYakima posted this 16 November 2015

TK, Congratulations upon reaching an age that you can draw your “entitlements", you worked hard for them. Ken, No dirt cheap, as $350. Local WWII pilot of P-38's transferred to USAF after war, and went hunting on Kodiak Island. He had this rifle built, and I also got the Sears metal case he shipped it in to Kodiak. Upon his death, the family took it to the local “black gun” dealer and said sell if for what ever. Ric

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 16 November 2015

hey ricin ... please keep an eye out for a good deal on a 57 chev. convertible for me .... eh ?

$350 ... geeesh ...

ken

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JeffinNZ posted this 18 November 2015

None of you are alone in the woods. It would appear many of us are wondering around in woods with you just in parallel and not crossing paths.

I guess the question is this. What will it take for the organisation to survive? The CBA appears to have two followings; those who compete and those who follow cast bullets on a casual basis. The only real benefit to me being a member is the FS which is why I just sent Glenn another article as my contribution. The troubling part of the FS is the of the two regular contributors one is dead just now!

Cheers from New Zealand

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Dirtybore posted this 19 November 2015

Is the CBA healthy or are we losing members faster than gaining new members?

I personally spend very little time on the forum so it doesn't do much for me. I look forward to TFS and read it cover to cover as soon as I get it. Granted, some articles don't grab me like others but then again, on the other hand, I've read a few several time over. I recently read Mustafa Curtess's article “The 1895 Russian Nagant Revolver", TFS # 179 for the 3rd time.

I've also met and correspond with several CBA members who I would never have met if it weren't for my CBA membership. That is where this organization really shines and has helped me. The dialog between those members is and was so much more beneficial than found any place else.

The only competitive shooting I do is with muzzleloaders at 1820-30's rendezvous. Other than that, I just sling lead for the fun of it. I really enjoy trying to get old rifles to shoot lead bullets. Some day I'd like to hunt with my lead bullets but right now my bucket list is to take a deer with my flintlock long rifle.

Since I just sling lead for the fun of it, I at least like to hit what I'm shooting at. I've learned so much from the pages of TFS that I feel it is indispensable. In my opinion, anybody who shoots lead ought to be a member. TFS is a small publication but there is something for everyone in it.

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mike44 posted this 19 November 2015

When I joined the forum I also subscribed to the fs. I let subscription lapse after a year or two but after reading Jeff's op I decided to join again. I've learned a lot from this site and id hate to see it end. Im probably the worst kind of member,, i visit and read regularly but rarely take the time to post. Aside from the regulars most people are probably like myself.

one potential problem in gaining and keeping new members may be the lack of interest in less traditional topics. Example in this thread is black rifles. Like them or not they are a huge market and any potential member would probably go somewhere else. Cast shooting in ar's is popular but powder coating seems to go hand in hand. The few times I've seen topics here didn't see much interest. Again,interested potential members would look elsewhere.

I don't have much interest in competition but I may give the postal a try. Jeff said it right about the parallel paths, this is a place where they can cross.

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