This is pretty random but I think it may interest some members. In the movie “Cold in July” starring Don Johnson there's a shoot out at the end. (Of course!) He plugs a very large bad guy at close range with his old looking revolver with no apparent effect. Not, at least, 'til it gets close up and special. I'll not get any more graphic than that here, but see it for yourself if you're curious. My point is I think that scene realistically portrays what is reasonable to expect under worse case conditions and it makes me think a little about my choices. It definitely reinforces the old adage about a handgun is for fighting your way to a rifle. = Recent posts re. .38 S&W and how it was tweaked to increase “stopping power” in the old days got me thinking along these lines. See the movie and ask yourself how do you “stop” an NFL lineman sized guy coming at you full tilt? You don't!
Old guns in the movies
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I remember reading a report of a shooting in the Rifleman magazine back in the 60's, where an officer in NYC shot a suspect who was charging him six times with a 38 special loaded with 150 gr. round nose bullets. One round passed through the suspects heart. No bones were struck or possibly one hit the pelvis I can't really be sure , anyway the suspect came on and killed the officer with a knife. I had friends on the LAPD, and Long Beach PD who complained constantly until the Departments finally let them carry what they wanted (in their cases 45ACP Colt 1911's). This change occurred some time in the mid to late 70's. Before that one officer I knew loaded his Chief Special with 200gr. softer lead bullets with magnum rifle primers hollow-pointed into the nose, or hollow base wad cutters loaded backwards. But then Bobby was usually put into the worst areas of LA.
Personally I carry a Colt Commander loaded with either 200 gr. wad cutters or 185 gr. Win. silver tip hollow points; not much for penetration, but they make a mess. Where I plan to be depends on what I load with. Brodie
B.E.Brickey
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also to consider :: 50 years ago the perception was it would be 1 or 2 at a time ... bad guys, just mean or evil .... now we have to rethink in terms of 3 to 16 mentally ill , but high on drugs ... still mean and evil ... ... i love my sixgun, but out in today's society my hi cap s-auto fills in more check-boxes . a sad thing .
also i am lately thinking :: BOTH .
ken
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Just watched the movie. Good flick. Like their taste in guns.
73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia
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Not to bad for what would be considered to day an underpowered, mouse gun,
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Where you hit them is more important than what you hit em with. As long as what you hit the spot on them with has the wherewithall to do the job.
B.E.Brickey
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The best and most obscure reference about a movie firearm (IMHO) is in the Maltese Falcon when Humphrey Bogart, as Sam Spade, looks at the Murder weapon and says it is a Webley-Fosbery. Who would have picked such an obscure weapon and then, talked about it? Although the seekers of trivia note that he says it is an eight shot 45, but only the 38's were eight shots, the 45's six.
http://www.moviemistakes.com/film3655/corrections
In the In the movie poster it looks like he is holding a M1911 in each hand. Good choice, but with only a safety on the left, his left hand weapon was probably carried cocked and ready! Maybe he can swap his thumb and make it work?
Dave
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When I was at Ruger, the collection included a Webley-Fosberry in .38 Colt Rimless Smokeless, with folding bayonet, shoulder stock and six Prideux Quick Loaders. It was an 8-shooter. Never had a chance to shoot it, but I did heat water for tea with a water-cooled .303 Vickers!
73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia
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I have noted of late, during several WW-1 and WW-2 movies/ docos that they appear to be using left handed rifles. Some have been American Springfield and some British 303. I'm guessing this is an 'editing' issue, to change scenery or such. Twas quite strange to see a line of shooters all with left handed rifles. Just for a split second. haha
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I have been told that the Private who processed the raw film ran it on the wrong side. Once done, it takes conversion to digital to reverse it; too expensive.
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I got to shoot a rifle that was in a Tom Selleck movie (Cross Fire Trail). It was some carbine made in Maine I believe. Wilfred Brumely used it in the movie. It held something like 27 rounds in the butt stock. The man who owned the rifle also had a Remington-Keene 45-70 with him that was used by one of the “bad guys” in the flick. It was fitted with a correct to period scope. I didn't get to fire that one. Oh yeah! get this, my wife wore an apron made by Demi Moore's aunt while we butchered ducks yesterday.
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Not movies, but 30yrs ago or so, I was admiring a poster showing a group of men with rifles, very period correct and more realistic than usual.Remington rolling blocks, highwall winchesters, Krags and others. When I mentioned it to a friend, he pointed out it was a picture of Pancho Villa's group. No wonder!
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For some interesting information on shooting and stopping read Jimmy Cirrilo's books on the NYC Stake out squad. The only real one shot stops they had were with a M1 carbine loaded with smoked up hollow points. The one shot that always dropped the criminal was a shot in the posterior.....or from the front....that probably broke the SI joint or the hip joint. The guy went right down. Might not be completely out of the fight but it gave them a breather. He mentions two guys on the squad that used that shot so often they were dubbed....The Proctologists.....smiles.
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In Crossfire Trails, the Wilford Brumley rifle was a Spencer carbine- this is a larger caliber rimfire rifle first used during the Civil war. Fed from the buttstock. Probably more like 7 rounds capacity than 27
beltfed/arnie
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Brimley used an Evans rifle that had a 27 shot capacity....28 with one in the chamber.
Some models I believe held as high as 34 rounds.
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How nice it is to read that Hollywood's ignorance and lack of concern for historical plausibility of the guns used in movies - isn't the “deal-breaker” for everybody else - that it is for me. I usually felt so insulted that I have just lost interest and found a better way to spend my time. And as for the weapons issued by Law Enforcement agencies? Get real, guys! Rank& file egomaniacs have nothing to say in the matter. Every new Chief, Commissioner, or Sheriff re-arms purely to generate kick-backs and bribes from the suppliers (as well as from whoever disposes of the “obsolete” caliber and model “issue"). Not something we want to hear - but a fact of life, never-the-less. (And yes, I am retired from a LE agency.) My personal choice? Any m1911 clone in 10 mm - but there was never any genuine technical reason to abandon the 4” S&W M19 (aside from the allure of big $ for negotiating a contract for everything that has periodically replaced it.) Get Real!
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gee mr. curtess ... do you suppose the two billion rounds of 9 mm that the clerks at home security bought ( with taxpayer money ... ) could have any kickback ... potential ... ??
clint eastwood movies have some fire-arms-correct moments ...
ken
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OK - So I can't prove that I'm correct.(Nobody ever gets fired or jailed), but you can't prove that I'm wrong - either. One admin. it's Glocks, next one Berettas, after that it's Sigs. At one time it was S&W semi-autos. Not a dime's worth of difference as far as effectiveness is concerned. (They all kill unarmed suspects of all ages quite efficiently). So what's your explanation?
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Good Salesmen?
Factory Reps , Departmental requirements?
Maybe somebody gets a little squeeze or cumshaw under the table so what. If all of us only bought the one gun we needed for each application we would each only own about three or four. The gun companys can't exist on that. There would be natural gun control.
Lets get back to talking about guns in movies.
Remember the 50's and 60's when all the BAD GUYS only carried Lugers or that other German 9mm? Brodie
B.E.Brickey
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Thanks! Coot. I feel a lot better about corruption in government now that I've read your defense of it. Of course it is nice to think of a movie that appeared plausible. “Quigley Down Under".
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has anybody noticed that ” government ” has the same number of letters as ” corruption ” .... ?
ok, back to cast bullets ...
ken
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