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mike44 posted this 05 May 2015

In my opinion the NRA is the only real, effective voice for the second amendment. As long as there is a NRA and I'm alive I will be a member.  Having said that I recently found a copy of,,,cast bullets by col. Harrison and before that the NRA book on reloading. Both of these books are collections of articles from the american rifleman as I understand it. I had seen comments about what the magazine used to be but I had no idea what it has turned into. WOW I guess I find it odd that the NRA would dumb down, for lack of a better way to put it,  their magazine. It should be the example for others to follow. is that what the general shooting public wants? Kinda like all the other gun rags? I hope its not all about the money as the magazine isn't their only business.  Enough of my crabbin,,, I'm sure this isn't news to most of you. I just had to say how sad it is.

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358156hp posted this 05 May 2015

I no longer take any of the NRA mags. They seem to have adopted a “me to” attitude, and no longer offered me any useful information.

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Brodie posted this 06 May 2015

The NRA has switched from informing and training shooters to raising money.  I'm a lifer and I really hate it when they call and dun me like a bad creditor.  I contribute money regularily, but hate the way it has gone. 

The American Rifleman used to be full of good articles that had something to say about shooting and reloading, but now it is just a shill for the manufacturers and a list for the collectors.  I've got a few too many guns (by some reconings), but all but one are shootable, and that old canon could be fired in a pinch even if I don't have the right size cap.  Guns to me are tools that do a particular job not something to keep in the safe , wipe down twice a year and show only the few people you really trust.  Others may get off on that, but it doesn't do much for me.  It has been sad to see the NRA go this route.  Brodie

B.E.Brickey

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Ed Harris posted this 06 May 2015

This is nothing new. The process started with the Cincinatti Massacre. I left shortly after, in 1985. This is old news. People are slow to wake up.

There are very few “shooters” on the NRA board anymore. Some of us are trying to slow the tide to get more shooters to run for the NRA Board by petition. We are fought tooth and nail by the NRA Establishment.

The NRA constantly begs for money. My answer is the same, the day that Grover Norquist and Wayne Lapierre are fired I'll send them $1000.  http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/03/13/glenn-beck-makes-big-announcement-nra-told-me-its-opening-ethics-investigation-into-grover-norquist/ http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/04/15/gop-power-player-norquist-steps-down-from-nra-amid-probe-islamist-ties/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GroverNorquist http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/04/13/grover-norquist-reelected-to-national-rifle-ass/203257

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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Tom Acheson posted this 06 May 2015

Kind of disturbing how often I see on other forums negativity about the NRA. The often repeated criticism is of the upper echelon and how money they make. I suppose some of that could be jealousy or envy but still, for that attitude to be out there doesn't say much about the organization. The other criticism is that the NRA is cutting back on their support of some shooting sports and is only interested in money. Were it not for the legislative voice they have it would be a totally worthless outfit.

Our gun club's Board is similar to what Ed says....only one match shooter (me) out of 12 people on the Board. Some people just like to “run” things or like to be seen as “authorities".

Tom

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mike44 posted this 06 May 2015

I was a member in mid 90's but stopped because of the constant phonecalls and mass mailings. When I rejoined abt 10 yrs ago it seemed better. I don't have a clue to the inner workings of the nra but it seems to me their purpose today is political and if so I fully understand the need for money,,,and lots of it. The left HATES them and that tells me they are effective. Maybe that's a simplistic way of looking at it but that's the way it appears to me. 

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norm posted this 06 May 2015

In my opinion ALL gun magazine have gone downhill since I started reading them 50 years ago. Or maybe I have learned a few things since then.

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tturner53 posted this 06 May 2015

All true. But, it's the best we have. I will remain a dues paying member out of spite. The libtards do hate the NRA. That's worth the $ right there.

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Ed Harris posted this 06 May 2015

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tlkeizer posted this 06 May 2015

Greetings, For shooting sports support the Friends of the NRA strictly supports the shooting sports, and does not allocate any of the money to the political endeavors. The NRA-ILA and FNRA have two different focii (focuses?). Each is needed, and I tend to support the FNRA. Up here in Alaska we have raised and distributed considerable funds directly to helping the shooting sports. If you are not politically inclined, such as I am not inclined, find out who in your shooting club is part of the FRNA and get involved; you can also attend your district FRNA meeting to see how the funds are distributed. You as a non-delegate cannot speak or vote, but you can attend the funding distribution to see where the funds are going and talk to the various club delegates to give and get information for mutual benefit.

TK Life Member of NRA.

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gpidaho posted this 06 May 2015

Hello all. When I see men I respect in the gun world stating what I've thought for years it just makes me feel so sorry that our most influential advocate has lost it's focus on the representation of our common cause. It's become all about playing big money games and self profiteering at the top. I've sent in my dollars for years only to see them wasted dinging me for more to battle the next contrived emergency. The NRA is going to have to change their ways at the top if they expect my dollars in fighting the good fight however small this amount might be I hate seeing it go into a big players pocket and not toward the cause. Very sorry it's come to this. GP

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bandmiller2 posted this 07 May 2015

I was just thinking the same thing found some old (1980's) am. rifleman mags in my shop I saved for gunsmith tips and real articles. What really helps is to get to know your state and fed reps. Invite them to speak at club dinners. Our local newly elected rep (D) never fired a firearm but visited many local sportsmens clubs to learn for pending gun vote. He took the course and now has A lic to carry and better outlook.I thanked him yesterday for his open mind and fair treatment. Frank C.

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vmwilson posted this 07 May 2015

I'll agree the magazine isn't of much interest in these later years compared to 30-50 years back.

BUT - the only ones I see doing anything of value towards preserving our right to bear arms is the NRA.

I'll put up with their begging letters as long as they're putting the heat on and keeping up the uphill fight. They were definitely crucial in passing a better carry law in Iowa a few years back.

Mike

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mike44 posted this 08 May 2015

Ed, thanks for the links. I read them.  One thing I kept in mind while reading was they were written soon after sandy hook when guns and their owners where especially evil (more so than usual). Those articles where to discredit the nra. No other reason. Even if all facts are true, to me most don't matter. I don't care if lapierre was a true gun guy or if he'd rather own a ice cream stand or whatever. They need to be good at politics which they apparently are. These days a good way to demonize someone is to say how much money they make. They do get big paychecks. Are they worth it? In cant say. What do others like that make. Unless there's something criminal going on- it is what it is. And-- the nra doesn't scare me into joining. They don't have to. What the antigun crowd says does it for them. There are more points common to each article but the tip of my finger is getting flat from typing.  Where would we be now if the NRA wasn't how they are?  Who can say. Something to think about tho. If they have the power to intimidated politicians they are indeed good at what they do. I did order Feldman's book. Maybe I'll be changing my tune. But------they didn't have to change their  magazine.  damm them for that!

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mike44 posted this 08 May 2015

One more thing that was mentioned,,, compromise,,, I'm with the nra on “no compromise". With all the useless laws we already have ANY compromise now would not be good.!. It couldn't be because that would mean something we have now would have to go...

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Tom Acheson posted this 08 May 2015

Over 30-years ago our club voted on the need to be an NRA member to be able to join the club. The vote wasn't even close, it passed easily. The most vocal resisters said it was like being made to join a union to work somewhere, which they disagreed with. But the majority saw the NRA as the only voice in town EFFECTIVELY fighting the anti's.

I do agree with the above perspective on no compromise! You can't compromise with someone who is out to destroy you. 

And why would it matter to us what the salaries are? It's the same as professional athletes, why is their income always brought up when they are being evaluated by so called sports writers? It's a non-factor and none our business. Who cares? Do they or do they not perform well? If we think poorly then we won't watch (or support the NRA).

Tom

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billglaze posted this 19 May 2015

Gentlemen (and ladies if any are reading): I've never felt this was germane to topics at hand, so I've never mentioned it. But--in 1987-88 I served as President of the Nevada State Rifle and Pistol Assn.; probably one of the highest honors I have been blessed with. I worked very closely with then Executive Secretary J. Warren Cassidy and head of the Institute for Legislative Action, headed at that time by Wayne LaPierre. I can truly say that, were it not for the aid and assistance of the NRA, we would not have achieved the beneficial legislation the State of Nevada now enjoys. Wayne was especially helpful, assigning then Field Representative David Marshall to aid and assist. Through our collective efforts, we were able to pass a Pre-emptive Legislative Act, standardizing many laws in the state. We also were successful in moving forward on Carry Legislation. At one of our meetings, I specifically recall Wayne saying: “I hate to send out these letters so frequently asking for money, but we simply don't have any other options.” BTW: Wayne also introduced me to Neal Knox, if any of you remember who he was.. When my parents first signed me up for the NRA in 1947, I believe the membership was around 300,000. Now it's very substantial--nearing 5 mil, I believe. In the event, I was able to call the Nevada State Capital and, with one phone call be directly in contact with Brian McKay, the State Attorney General. All due strictly to the influence of the NRA. As far as the Magazine, I can recall stories by people like Nash Buckingham, Steven Vincent Benet and others of national prominence. The magazine has changed, but I submit to you the duties and responsibilities of the organization have also changed--drastically.
From the White House and Congress, Legislation and Executive Orders have been introduced on a regular basis, that, in the 1940's, would have had even the then-liberals laughing at the idea of voting for such far-fetched trampling on our Second Amendment rights. I feel that the Rifleman, for here and now, is about where it has to be. If I want to read about “Me and Joe Went Out and Killed This Monster B'ar” I have other outlets for that. The Rifleman has changed because our mission has changed.
Is the magazine, (or, the NRA,) perfect, then? Of course not. But, the politicians are paying attention, and giving more than a little consideraton to the voting power of such a large membership. For better or worse, it's so far the best way I've seen to protect our interests. Bill Glaze, (Past President, NSRPA, 1987-88.)

In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. My fate is not entirely in Gods hands, if I have a weapon in mine.

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Bud Hyett posted this 25 May 2015

I explain to any organization to whom I belong that I am now retired, living on a fixed income and can offer time, but not money. That stops 99+ percent in their tracks.

Farm boy from Illinois, living in the magical Pacific Northwest

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RicinYakima posted this 25 May 2015

Bud works every time, especially with the Republican Party calls; “you have my vote, but I'm retired on Social Security.” Commercial fund raisers will cut you off mid-sentence. But beware the local charities! They say, “We'll be at your door in ten minutes to pick you up. Wear work clothes."

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Brodie posted this 26 May 2015

Tell me about it.  I was once kidnapped for three week by the Sisters of St. Joseph.

B.E.Brickey

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mike44 posted this 03 June 2015

Anyone  interested in reading Feldman's book?  Free to lower 48 .

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