Following Directions

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Wineman posted this 12 April 2015

I know not very guy like. My local range decided to drop service rifle for this year and the CMP match director retired. Both of these matches I used jacketed as the SR was 200, 300 and 600 (AR) and the CMP was 200 (M1). I switched ranges and their CMP is a 100 reduced and this I thought would be the opportunity to see what cast could do.

My weapon of choice was a M1903a3. It has a straight stock and an M1 cotton sling. I took off  the front sight protector, and I made sure it had upward pressure on the barrel at the front of the stock. Off of bags I had put five rounds of a 0.314 Loverin into one largish hole at 25 yards a few years ago. I knew this dog would hunt.

As per this forum, the LC match cases were fl sized. A custom Lyman M die spud opened the necks to accept a LEE 312-160TL that had the checks put on in a LEE 0.314 die. I used White Label Lube 45:45:10 as per Gary's method. I used 16 grains of Alliant 2400 and WLR primers. I also got some good stainless steel stripper clips. I seated to the crimp groove and had and OAL of 3.08". This just has the tiniest amount of resistance chambering and would extract without leaving the bullet in the bore.

With the sight set on 700 and 10 clicks of left windage it will hold center with a 6:00 hold at 100 yards. I had a little issue at one match where I moved the rear sight with my sleeve or clip, and had two nice five shot groups, one in the 10 ring and one on the backer at 6:00 about a foot low during a rapid fire string.

On Saturday, TTurner53 and myself lined up for the match. Because of the range design (benches and posts) we stay in position and do not stand prior to the rapid fire string. It is an A match, so no sitting. A few thin clouds, 60 degrees, sun to our right but flat light, and no wind it was a perfect day. I was the only cast shooter, TT did have his 03a3 and everyone else were shooting M1's. The sounds were fun, the jacketed rounds were “Blam, snick". Mine were “Thunk, thwap". At the end I had a 95-0, 98-3X and a 73-1X. This was good enough for second overall and a CMP Springfield Bronze medal. I have never been able to shoot offhand consistently except poorly. In practice with a pellet rifle, I can hold 8-10 MOA. In matches I get the shakes and my legs suddenly forget how to hold still. I kidded TT that I need to get some medical marijuana and mix it with some LLA for a soothing lube smoke. Just the thing for anxious shooters.

Seriously, I want to thank everyone here for their part in making me a better cast competitor. I know that at times we may not agree with each other, but I am sure it would be pretty boring forum if we all thought the same way. Like I said at the beginning, if you just follow directions, it is hard to make a mistake.

Dave

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tturner53 posted this 12 April 2015

That rapid is a real screamer. Gonna be hard to top. You shoot better fast than you did slow! Maybe that's the ticket for the standing, rip 'em off in a couple minutes. Anyway, good shooting Dave, you kicked my butt. I was forced to use factory ammo due to my busy schedule. 'Olympic' M2, it copper plated my old 03a3.

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M. W. Curtess posted this 13 April 2015

TT53 may have something there? Probably my first BPCRS experience, my coach told me: “When you get a sight picture you like? Nail it ! -It's not going to get any better, and the stress of trying to refine it will work against you". Naturally, I challenged that, in practice - and soon concluded that he was right!

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delmarskid1 posted this 13 April 2015

It sounds like you are having fun. I used to shoot 100 yard reduced with cast but i got the idea that making high scores would be more fun so I went to the mouse gun. Scores? Yes definitely but not nearly as interesting. Offhand is a challenge. I used to tell people to let the rifle down after a slow count of 6 and breath before starting over. I force my shots if I strain.

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 13 April 2015

” hey, ” i sez to my partner, ” i don't have to outrun the bear ... i just have to outrun YOU ” ...


same with offhand shooting ... you don't have to beat benchrested scores .... you only have to beat other shooters whose targets are spinning and weaving all around their sights ...


in both my wasted lives as a toy car racer and rifle shooter i found i could do better if i had a plan ...strangely it is not all important that the plan be perfect .. or even the best plan in the competition ... it IS important that you follow the plan ... then improve the plan next time . if you panic >>> the bear catches YOU, not your competition .


my simple ( so i can remember it ) plan for offhand shooting is to pretend the bull is a duck and swing the sights thru it ... left to right works for me .... i find that now i only have a horizontal error ...how much to lead the duck ... if i believe it ... it works !!


the reason i post this on a CBA forum is because offhand is the best chance that sometime somewhere a cast shooter is going to put up a top score against mj guys ... go ahead ... make my day !!

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Bud Hyett posted this 14 April 2015

While living in California, I experimented with an issue 1903, an issue 03A3 and a 1903 in the M2 .22 stock with aperture sights. This was shooting at reduced ranges in High-Power matches. I was successful in that these loads worked well and generated interest in casting bullets. There is an advantage in reduced loads during rapid fire; recovery is quicker with far less recoil.

One interesting side comment; at a match in Reno Nevada, the match director kept offering to buy my two issue rifles since he collected Springfields and needed only those two to complete his collection.   I attempted shooting the actual 600 yards with the NRA Sporter at Camp Pendleton with a result of the velocity variation caused vertical stringing even when I felt I had a good hold. And I mean from 12 o'clock to 6 o'clock stringing. I went back to my Model 70 and jacketed bullets at 600 yards after that fiasco.   

NRA Sporter (Springfield high-number) <>Bullet  - RCBS 30-180-SP <>Powder - Reloder #7, 30.0 grains <>Velocity - 2000 fps <>Bullet hardness - Linotype, 30 Rockwell “C” <>Lube - LBT Blue <>Sized .311 1903 (RIA high-number) <>Bullet  - Lyman 311335 <>Powder - Reloder #7, 27.0 grains <>Velocity - 1700 fps <>Bullet hardness - Linotype, 30 Rockwell “C” <>Lube - LBT Blue <>Sized .311 03A3 (Smith-Corona) <>Bullet  - Lyman 311284 <>Powder - Reloder #7, 29.0 grains <>Velocity - 1800 fps <>Bullet hardness - Linotype, 30 Rockwell “C” <>Lube - LBT Blue <>Sized .311 

Farm boy from Illinois, living in the magical Pacific Northwest

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Wineman posted this 14 April 2015

I have used similar loads for silhouette although the bullet hardness was less. At 200 and 300 meters no problem. For 375 and 500 much more scatter. The slower bullet makes you really hold hard. The load I used for reduced is only 1,500 give or take.

Dave

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