Changes in attitude

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gpidaho posted this 27 January 2015

Well friends, I guess this transition to shooting cast in rifles is going to stick for me.  I just robbed the scope off my Hart barreled 25-06 (easy MOA rifle) and put it on my 35 Rem.  The 25 is the grandkids favorite rifle to borrow from “Pops” for deer hunting sooooooo I hope SSI income catches up by next fall  or I'll have some “splainin” to do. Well at least now all the Handis wear their own scope and could just put it back but want to work with the 35 for now.  GP

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 28 January 2015

'splanen eh ? maybe you could help me explain to my family my obsession to collect each and all pop cans ..... uh, also the army of water filled milk y pop jugs on my shop floor ...

i try to help by blowing up as many as possible on calm warm afternoons but mostly just get blank stares ....

guess we casters are the chosen few ( g ) ..

ken

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bandmiller2 posted this 28 January 2015

Gpidaho, lead in a 35 rem. is almost too easy, now if you got that 25 slinging lead proper, that's a challenge. The RCBS 200 gr. bullet is a good one, my 358 and 35 rem. like them as well as jacketed. Frank C.

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gpidaho posted this 28 January 2015

Frank:  I totally agree that getting my 25-06 to work throwing lead would be a worthy challenge. I would like to ask you and the rest for some pointers as to moulds you believe work well in quarter bores. The 25-06 seems a little daunting to me with its large powder capacity. I'm having success (on my level) with my 223s and 22-250s using the Lee 55gr. Bator and small amounts of fast powder.  I guess the 25 is no more over-bore than the 22-250s  In the J world this 25 loves Sierra 100gr. flat bases over V-V N160 or 165. Those that have worked with 25s please chip in with some advice as I'm always glad to have some help with cast loads.  Thanks   GP

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corerf posted this 28 January 2015

I love my 25-06AI.

What a bad ass round. Your grandkids are “sharp cookies"!!

I have an Erik O. customized RCBS 120gr mold for mine. Have not poured one for it in 4 years. Thats a need to do project, but I have other projects like earning a living that seem to get in the way.

Enjoy the 35! I love my 35's (maximums, not remmys), with big long cast bullets barking hard. Flying drill bits they are.

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gpidaho posted this 28 January 2015

corerf: Yes, I understand that the duties of life stand squarely in the way of fun at times. Soooooo glad to be retired. Maybe you saw my post and pics. of the 357 rounds I've been working on. Saeco #352 240gr.flat point out of a 357mag Handi. BAD 357 sub-sonic that packs a punch. Thanks for your reply. GP

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grouch posted this 28 January 2015

My 257 Roberts really likes CBE 25790 with WW+2%tin and 10gr of H110. I use it for an offhand load, it does near minute of angle with good iron sights. Am starting to experiment with slower powders. Also looking at an interesting 100gr spire point at CBE. For a a start, you could try about 12gr or so of H110 behind a similar bullet. Grouch

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bandmiller2 posted this 28 January 2015

GP, I won't be much help choosing a mold the only 25 I own is a 25-20. I would have to find the mold but it casts a short 86 gr. flat nosed slug that is quite accurate in the 25-20 but would be way short in your rifles throte. Frank C.

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Larry Gibson posted this 28 January 2015

Good choice switching the scope to the 35 Remington. Yes it may be “easy” to load with cast bullets due to the smaller case capacity and the 14 or 16” twist barrels but it is fun! While the plethora od not only 35 cal rifle bullets but also the 38 SPL/357Mag bullets available will keep you busy they all can easily be made to shoot quite well. You won't be running into a lot of technical problems with the 35 Rem as you would with the 25-06.

I shoot only cast bullets through my 35 Rem (a M91 Argentine Mauser rebarreled with a 26” Shilen pre-threaded barrel with 16” twist from Brownell's). I shoot a lot of 358477s, 356-120-TC and 358156s in mine using Bullseye and Unique powders. I've found the RCBS 35-200-FN to be the hands down best bullet for rifle bullets. I run them at 2150 fps with 4895 because I've a bit of it. However, with other medium burning powders, especially LeveRevolution I can push the RCBS bullet to 2400+ fps with excellent accuracy.

My favorite load for small game and plinking is the Lee 356-120-TC (they drop at .359+ with a decent ternary alloy) over 5 gr Bullseye (no filler or wad needed). They run 1175 fps and are very accurate. I'd bet if you let the grandkids shoot the 35 Rem with that load they'll be quickly forgetting the 25-06 and you'll be hard pressed to keep ammo loaded!

LMG

Concealment is not cover.........

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gpidaho posted this 28 January 2015

Larry: Thanks for putting the 9mm thought in my mind. I have a six cav. Lee 356-124-RN mould. Luckily I'm pretty deep in 35cal. moulds and sizers as between me and the kids there are two 357mag rifles and four revolvers. Over the shortage Bullseye has been hard to come by here in Idaho but TightGroup has always been available. I've used enough of it now that I prefer it as a go to fast powder. At your suggestion, Im loading up some 9mm plinkers in the 35 Rem. I'll powder coat them if enlargement is needed. Thanks for the input guys. GP

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admiral posted this 29 January 2015

the two .257's I load for are a custom Ruger No.1 in 257 Roberts AI and a Savage 99 in 250-3000. The Ruger worked right from the get go with a 100gr. LBT LFN @ .260” and either 26.0gr. IMR 3031 or 29.0gr. H4895 with shotshell buffer. Both loads are 2150-2200 fps. In the 1-14” twist Savage I had to use a much shorter bullet to stabilize. The NOE .260” 80gr. RF filled the bill after much experimenting.

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M. W. Curtess posted this 29 January 2015

This may be a bit off-topic, but mention of 25-06 reminds me of something peculiar about them that I have (Maddeningly!) observed over the 20 years I have been custodian of our private handgun range at the farm where I work.  I shoot CB's exclusively, so no problem, but factory fodder in 25-06 is particularly damaging to our highly hardened silhouettes.  Nobody supposed to be shooting centerfire rifle at any metal target, but when nobody is around after work hours & weekends, it happens (in spite of strategically-placed notices not to do so), and makes even the most avid pro-gun person like myself wonder if just everybody does have the judgement and self-discipline needed in an “armed” society?  All the shot-up hiway speed limit (& etc.) signs certainly can't be positive for our cause, either, but somehow I've never seen a campaign against such irresponsible and pointless BS in any gun magazines or at a gun show.  Damage to our (fairly expensive) steel targets is especially frustrating, because we keep portable target frames right there, plus a supply of cardboard humanoids, staple guns, target pasters, printed paper targets to be stapled to the cardboard backers, -in short everything the rifle group shooter could possibly want,- right there in an unlocked weatherproof storage module. I know which cartridge is involved because the fired cases are left there, also, and nothing else quite measures up to the destructive performance of the 25-06,  - if that happens to be someone's “bag". (And please, don't someone quote me any ballistics numbers!  -- Just come look at my targets!)

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gpidaho posted this 29 January 2015

MWC: Gather up the evidence and send them to me for ballistic test. Maybe together we can find the perps. GP

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M. W. Curtess posted this 29 January 2015

Does that mean that I am being churlish and small-minded?  The range-owner doesn't think so-------My old backside is already a “sensitive scar", so I FEEL each additional mild chewing I get, like yesterday when he found the latest 5 (approx 33 cal, this time) in a humanoid.  They can not be “repaired” - just arc-welded closed with mild steel rod -  which further destroys the temper of the material around them, and eventually will be shot out just by the handgun ammo they are designed to tolerate.  (Not a very impressive “group", either -  obviously from the 100 yd bench, which everyone can shoot from into the handgun range berm via its open side.)

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gpidaho posted this 30 January 2015

mwc: Not at all, I'd be P.O.d too. Just funning ya for some brass. GP

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M. W. Curtess posted this 30 January 2015

Oh! Is that all? By all means - tell me what you need and it is yours! You might not believe what all, and the amount, I have accumulated over the years! (I had a feeling that my leg was being pulled. I am delighted to know that it was true.) Maybe I take everything about shooting, and the range, a bit too seriously?

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