Have long been toying with the idea of getting a .44 Special. I'm not into the magnum calibers anymore. I have a .45 Long Colt (I hate saying “Long Colt") & a .38 Special & love them both. Very comfortable shooting handguns & very accurate to boot. So, I'd like to get some advice/opinions on the .44 Special. Please chime in. Pat
If someone else had of done to me what I did to myself . . . I'd have killed him. Humility is an asset. Heh - heh.
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I have shot 44sp brass in my S&W 629 44Mag , without ill effects .
I have a weaker Peacemaker first generation clone by Uberti that gives me quite sufficient Cowboy shooting accuracy. No 44 mag P73 clone was available in Italy at the time I got my special.
Bullseye shooters better than me , told me that while there is no difference in accuracy using 38sp brass in 357M chambers , 44sp brass shoots a little worse than magnum brass in the Mag guns.
For my modest plinkers use the 44 brass case in a 44 sp gun is fantastic , and loading the hand grenades loads in the long Mag cases exclusively will prevent dangerous mistakes.
Shooting low 44 sp light loads gives me more recreational pleasure than shooting light 38sp loads.
A similar great pleasure I get shooting moderate 45ACP load in revolvers .
In a Marlin leveraction carbine I prefer to use only 44M brass at the overall lenght prescribed by the manuals, to avoid feeding problems .
Finding a good and affordable S&W double action ,long barrel target revolver would be the fullfillment of my pipe dreams.
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Pat,I am a big fan of the .44 Special for a day to day carrying gun around my place and hiking on the public land that surrounds us.I've gotten to the point where I don't want to stop and put ear plugs in , but don't want to accelerate my hearing loss for shooting a target of opportunity. No supersonic crack for me. Usual target is a coyote or raccoon skulking after the wife's cats. The beauty of the .44 Special is that it works well in a double action revolver. My favorite is any older S&W. I would love to have a .45 Colt double action revolver,but my experience with extractors riding over that tiny narrow rim with the two S&W 25 revolvers I've owned soured me. I carry a Bowen converted 5” .38/44 S&W in .44 Special that is marvelously accurate. The perfect sixgun. I use a maximum load of Bullseye with a Saeco/H&G #503 SWC that weighs about 260 grains cast from billet trap scrap. Tumble lubed and loaded as cast. Any solid body hit on anything up to a large coyote stops it almost immediately. I wouldn't hesitate to use that load for deer. The brass lasts forever and it's economical to shoot. A friend has one of the “small” frame Ruger Blackhawk .44 Specials that is very attractive, small,and accurate, allowing you to have a single action alternative.that isn't a large .44 Magnum .Don't get me wrong, I have .38s, .357s, 44 magnums, and 45 Colts, but the .44 Special is enough and will do everything well.
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The .44 Special experience is with two Charter Arms Bulldogs (since traded off), a S&W 696 and reduced loads in .44 Magnum revolvers. I can quickly grow tired of full-power loads in .44 Magnum and will switch to the .44 Special with 6.5 grains of Unique with a 200 grain bullet load. The 696 is an outdoor carry gun for which I have possibly the only full-flap holster in existence. Loaded with 6.5 grains of Unique and a 200 grain bullet, it is easily controllable for double action shooting. The other side is the fun of plinking with these loads, I never leave home with it without several hundred rounds of plinking ammo in case of need. I've also shot 225 and 245 grain loads in the 696; they shoot well; but these are much heavier in recoil.
The one attribute that also works well is .44 plastic shot loads for vermin and snakes which I can use in any gun.When prairie dog shooting, I carry it with two rounds of snake loads and three rounds of 200 grain lead for the occasional rattler.
Farm boy from Illinois, living in the magical Pacific Northwest
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The only downside I ever experienced with shooting 44spl loads in 44mag. guns was that I had to occasionally take a brass bristle brush to the chambers, as powder fouling would build up over time and make putting mag loads in the cylinders a little difficult. I think that this is the reason that manufactures tell us not to shoot the shorter brass in magnum guns.
Personally I would love to have one of Ruger's new 44spl flattops. I don't live in Brown Bear (Alaskan Grizzly) country, and personally believe that the 44spl or 45Colt will do anything you need done with a hand gun. Accuracy, bullet construction, bullet weight,and penetration are what you need in that type of situation, not brute power. Excessive power only promotes flinching and the heavy recoil reduces the chance of a decent second shot in time to do you some good. Brodie
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Giorgio, have you had a chance to try or handle the new Pietta in .44 Magnum?
It has the “army” grip and is apparently built with a standard frame and cylinder, which I cannot get confirmation of from on-line owners who all seem to be new shooters.
Using “magnum” steels, it would make a dandy gun for the Special round.
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I bought the Tarus (5 shot stainless) for a carry piece - 'smith had worked it over and bobbed the hammer - absolutely the smoothest action I've ever pulled. Then I got the S&W 5 shot stainless. Ok, not as smooth or as comfortable to carry. Sold the S&W. 44 spcl is GOOD. Would prefer .45 colt, but 5 shot is not made. (Have the Ruger BH in stainless in .45 Colt - LOVE IT!)
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Pat,
My opinion is that after owning 45 Colt's, 44 Specials, 44 Russian, and 45 ACP double action revolvers, there is not a lot of difference in performance. Like Bud says, a 200 grain bullet in any with a decent load of Bullseye is fun. Sold my Lipsey New Model Ruger BH Bisley in 44 Special, as I could never get it to shoot better than 2.5 inches at 25 yards. I built a 44 on a Colt New Service that shoots every thing into less than that at 25 yards. So I like 44's. But I take with me a S&W 625 in 45 ACP. FWIW, Ric
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I have the Lipsey 44 Spl Bisley and enjoy it. I also shoot the Lee full Wadcutters as shown on the left in post three, using Bullseye Bullseye. My Bisley had two different throat diameters. I don't if this is common or not but reaming them to one size improved accuracy for me.
Slim
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I still have one of the early Charter Arms bulldog 44 specials. When they swagged the barrel into the frame the made it a little smaller in the forcing cone than the rest of the barrel. Consequently at least two out of ten rounds on a 25yd target hit sideways. Not knowing any better and wanting my gun to shoot better , I loaded it with 7.5 gr. Unique behind a 265 gr pure lead slug. I had no trouble shooting 95 and above (25yd slow fire), but if you look down the barrel you will see a smooth bore it is so full of lead. Brodie
B.E.Brickey
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I had leading problems with both of my Charter Arms Bulldogs and that is how I was introduced to Speer plastic shot loads. After an evening on the range with the Bulldog, one plastic shot shell down the barrel removed the leading. Recovering parts of the body or the end cap would show streaks of lead adhered to the body. The plastic took 95 to 99% of the leading out and left the rest easy to brush.
I tried a shot load at 20 feet one night to see what the pattern was and discovered the barrel was almost clean at home later that night. The next Friday night at the range was a deliberate attempt to see if this cleaning action repeated, which it did.
Farm boy from Illinois, living in the magical Pacific Northwest
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I have a number of .44 Specials both S&W and Ruger. My all time favorite would have to be the Model 624 (I have both 4” and 6.5") although my two Ruger flattops would be close. All of them will shoot better than 1” off the bench at 25 yards. Here's the Ruger midframe Flattop Talo:
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Here is my Smith Model 624 (4"):
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My current favorite load is an LBT 240 gr WFN ahead of 7.5 grs of Unique for a field load. I also use Speer shot capsules in snake country (loaded with #12 shot which will shred a snake's head at realistic distances). I have a variety of really nice field pistols in several calibers but .44 Specials rank high.
FWIW Dale53
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Good news this Pietta 44 m revolver production .
Alessandro Pietta one of the brothers owning the firm, is an avid shooter and competes in cowboy action shooting , and I am well satisfied by my couple of 357M peacemaker 3rd generation clones. Of course The 357M revolvers are made with stronger steels than those used for lower pressure rounds.
All the best Italian CAS shooters use the Pietta guns.
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EMF name such models Alchimista after Mr Pietta's CAS name (he reportedly has big hands and started the idea at the factory). A major issue to me is that they cost as much as a regular gun with an extra grip assembly... I know the Alchimista at least has a lower hammer spur but still...
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My Ruger New BH 44 special. It is a nicely finished and fitted revolver. Pretty heavy trigger but a Brownell's spring kit turned it into a different pistol. A very enjoyable HG and gets used quite a bit. This target was shot at 20 yds over a rest this afternoon after lapping my mold out to get the right bullet fit. And, yes there are five shots there. The final five round target was similar except I pulled two off to the right. I would buy another. RCBS 44-245-SWC, 7.5 grns of 50 yr. old 4756. I have to add though, that there was quite a bit of barrel thread crush. And I had to fire lap the bore by firing 30 rounds through it to fix that.
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IMO - ain't no downside! I also have the 45 Colt. 44 SPC is my GO TO for woods carry.
Mine these days is the Ruger BH Flattop in 4 5/8” bbl. LOVE it. Have it's evil twin in 45 Conv. Had the 44 SPC for about 4 yrs and already has very noticable blue wear. I ALWAYS goes woods walking/hunting/open carry with me whenever I am not concealed.
Shoot almost exclusively a 255 Keith cast in it. 16 grns (I recall - DOUBLE CHECK) for hunting carry. 7.5 grn Unique/Skelton load or Power Pistol/same 255 bullet other times.
I have a Lee, supposed to be 200 grn RNFP, but mine drops WW+2% tin at 117 grns. Use 220 grn data. nice easy paper puncher/plinker.
I had a few 44 Mags and shot SPCs in them - didnt care for the cleaning chore, and when mostly SPCs, why not a dedicated SPC gun. Also had few SPC snubbie revolvers I tried for carry. Loved the round, hated carrying the frames. Why I eventually went to an XDs flat 45 ACP.
But, IF I carried (and when I DO carry open) open every day, I would not hesitate to carry the BH 44 SPC. It carries great and feels great in my hand, almost like an extension. I did get custom set of Claro grips on mine.
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Hi Pat, I've used 44 special, russian and magnum in the same gun with no problems. with that being said I just use the magnum brass and use a different looking bullet for the different loads. I like .44's, 38's and .45's. I had a Taurus five shooter in .44 special and it was a pretty good gun. It had a 4” heavy barrel like a S&W model 10.
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Am looking at the Colt New Frontier in .44 Special. Hmmmmmm.
If someone else had of done to me what I did to myself . . . I'd have killed him. Humility is an asset. Heh - heh.
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I've got a pair of the Ruger Flat Top .44 Specials, one in each length and also the SS model in 4-5/8” bbl. All shoot beautifully right out of the box. My Smith 24-3 is just as good if not as easy to carry. For day to day walk-abouts here on our farm, the SS Ruger Flat Top in .44 Spl is my usual companion with a cylinder full and a spare 6 in a shirt pocket.
I'd say that the .44 Special is the easiest caliber I've ever worked with trying to find a good load...most anything works if you've got a good bullet, sized correctly. I'm currently running all of mine at 0.431” cast from WW + a pinch of tin. Lyman's 429421 PB, 429215GC, 429244GC, and Mihec's copy of the old H&G503 PB are some of the ones that work very well. All of the above will do right around an inch at 25 yds, if I'm having a good day with my 68 yr. old eyes and the iron sights.
Powders that work are 231, Unique, Herco, 2400, Accurate #9, and Win 296/110. For most of my needs, I carry 7.5 gr of Unique with any 200-250 gr LSWC and get great results with a chrono'd speed of 950+- in my 4-5/8” bbls.
HTH's Rod
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44 specials can be quite addicting. My first was a 6.5” bbld 624 and with the win 200 grain factory load was accurate and low on recoil. Unfortunately after the 624 and the 44 special bug bit me hard. The 624 was followed by a S&W 24-3 with 3” bbl and then another 24-3 with the 4” bbl. Frank
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Well after long last & saving the money I ordered the Ruger New Model Blackhawk in .44 Special!! Can't wait to get it!
If someone else had of done to me what I did to myself . . . I'd have killed him. Humility is an asset. Heh - heh.
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Well after long last & saving the money I ordered the Ruger New Model Blackhawk in .44 Special!! Can't wait to get it!
Where you been?
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Well after long last & saving the money I ordered the Ruger New Model Blackhawk in .44 Special!! Can't wait to get it!
Where you been?
Sometimes life gets in the way of things. Had some health issues among other things. Am back to casting & shooting again.
If someone else had of done to me what I did to myself . . . I'd have killed him. Humility is an asset. Heh - heh.
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Here is my favorite bullet for the .44 Special. LBT'S “WFN” sized to fit my revolvers (.430") and lubed with Lar's Carnauba Red. I consider it the best “all 'round” bullet for this caliber. It weighs 240 grs out of my alloy (WW's+2% tin). My standard field load is 7.5 grs of Unique behind this bullet.
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Here is my favorite bullet for the .44 Special. LBT'S “WFN” sized to fit my revolvers (.430") and lubed with Lar's Carnauba Red. I consider it the best “all 'round” bullet for this caliber. It weighs 240 grs out of my alloy (WW's+2% tin). My standard field load is 7.5 grs of Unique behind this bullet.
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mckg; As near as I can measure it, the meplat is .340"-.350". This is not the bullet for you if your shooting is done at 200 yards but for all reasonable ranges it gives maximum “smack” (and I LOVE “smack” (:>)).
Understand, the original 429421 Lyman Keith (my personal preference is a correct copy of the H&G #503 as done by Mihec) is a fine bullet (250 gr Keith) for the .44 Special. However, the meplat does the work in a cast bullet and I really like the large meplat on the LBT WFN as pictured.
FWIW Dale53
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Just out of curiosity, why not just go .44 Mag. and download it? That way, you can go any direction you want, power-wise. I've loaded Magnum stuff to embarrassingly low power, to convince my wife that “this stuff doesn't kick bad. See?”
Amazingly, she bought the deal, reduced noise and all. Not trying to sell something, just thought I'd ask.
Bill
In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. My fate is not entirely in Gods hands, if I have a weapon in mine.
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Thanks Dale!
Bill, that's what I do, and don't even shoot Magnum anymore; but you can get different /handier guns for the Special. Also the shorter cases drop more easily from all types of wheelguns.
I can see myself finding a nice 44 Sp. and switching to Sp. brass for all guns :).
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Just curious. Makes sense to me. Some years ago, my son was able to procure a Ruger .44 Spl. At a good price. He enjoyed it so much, that he never went Magnum. Just didn't feel the need. He shot my .44 mag.whenever he wanted and got Dear Old Dad to reload all his .44's. Talk about win-win!
Bill
In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. My fate is not entirely in Gods hands, if I have a weapon in mine.
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Just curious. Makes sense to me. Some years ago, my son was able to procure a Ruger .44 Spl. At a good price. He enjoyed it so much, that he never went Magnum. Just didn't feel the need. He shot my .44 mag.whenever he wanted and got Dear Old Dad to reload all his .44's. Talk about win-win!
Bill
In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. My fate is not entirely in Gods hands, if I have a weapon in mine.
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So... How do you like it Pat? Happy? Hope so!
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So... How do you like it Pat? Happy? Hope so!
Here in the “Police” state of Maryland we have a 10 day wait. Yep, the good old background check. I paid the balance in full on 8/26 when I found out that it had arrived so . . . . . . . I'll have it in my hands at the end of next week. Yes, I'm chomping at the bit here. Want to be able to mic the groove & cylinder throat diameter.
Pat
If someone else had of done to me what I did to myself . . . I'd have killed him. Humility is an asset. Heh - heh.
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Happy for ya Pat. A 44spl is on my ever increasing list of gotta haves. Gp
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Am going to order the Accurate 43-250J SWC for my .44 Special. Thinking about sending it off to Hollow Point Conversion after I receive it.
If someone else had of done to me what I did to myself . . . I'd have killed him. Humility is an asset. Heh - heh.
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Am going to order the Accurate 43-250J SWC for my .44 Special. Thinking about sending it off to Hollow Point Conversion after I receive it.
If someone else had of done to me what I did to myself . . . I'd have killed him. Humility is an asset. Heh - heh.
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Looks as if it has the Keith nose--a proven winner for accuracy and effectiveness in hunting situations. In short, subject to folks who know more on this subject than I, I'd say you made an excellent choice.
Bill
In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. My fate is not entirely in Gods hands, if I have a weapon in mine.
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I have a 4 cav Keith 429421 clone by MiHec I am going to part with. Brass and just can't do long sessions with it with my bad/rebuilt/old shoulders. Got a 2 Cav Lyman so I do not hurt after a casting session.
If you are interested, shoot me a pm and we can talk turkey. Casts great, just beats me up.
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Just got word from the gunshop; I can pick up my .44 Special on the 4th (Friday). Yahoooo!!
If someone else had of done to me what I did to myself . . . I'd have killed him. Humility is an asset. Heh - heh.
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I took my S&W 44 mag out today. I loaded some at 44 special speeds and had a ball. 7g of aa5 and the lyman 245 keith bullet lubed with lithium grease-bees wax. The stupid steel cowboy targets never got off a shot at me.
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Alas, I no longer own any .44 Specials. I am a heretic because I prefer to load the .44 Magnum brass down to obtain about 900-1000 fps using Bullseye powder and the same 200-230 grain Accurate 43-200Q and 43-230G bullets which I use in .44-40.
I sold my S&W .44 Hand Ejector 3rd Change 5” barrel .44 Special to pay for custom work on my three Ruger revolvers so that I have 5-1/2” Super Blackhawk with steel XR3 grip frame, 5-1/2” original Vaquero and 7-1/2” original Vaquero which all have interchangible cylinders for .44-40 and. 44 Magnum.
Next experiment for pure academic curiosity is to try black powder in the .44 Magnum, because I can!
73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia
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I have a two cavity Cramer Style mould from Mihec that turns out very nice hollow point versions of the 250 gr. Keith (H&G #503). These will expand to about .80 caliber at modest velocities:
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Dang, Dale! Them are ugly in a beautiful way!
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Sluged the barrel & throats in my new .44 Special. Throats are reading .4315 to .432. Groove diameter is pretty much right on at .4295. Even though my H&I sizing die is stamped .431 it's running a little large and that's a good thing. Bullets don't fall through the throats for sure as I've tried it. The cylinder throats are really long in this revolver.
If someone else had of done to me what I did to myself . . . I'd have killed him. Humility is an asset. Heh - heh.
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Nice. That looks like many days of good times. Congratulations. )P Ed, what about those BP .44 Mags.? I like the way you think.
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Took my new toy to the range today & it turned out to be a good shooter. At 15 yds. I'm shooting 3” groups on a very “unsteady” rest. I know that I can get it to shoot better than that though. We have a absolutely beautiful range but are restricted to using a standing position when shooting a handgun. Would really like to sit down with a real good rest to definitively insure that my sights are correctly adjusted. I think that I will go to my wood shop & create/make an adjustable hgt. rest to accommodate my standing position.
If someone else had of done to me what I did to myself . . . I'd have killed him. Humility is an asset. Heh - heh.
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Pat, I like that hand gun. How long is the barrel? It's a shame you have to sit to shoot it. It looks like it could hang out there real nice.
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Pigslayer; I live 45 minutes away from the NMLRA range at Friendship, IN. They don't have permanent benches there. Shooters just bring their own portable benches.
In one afternoon, I built a nice, sturdy and perfectly workable bench for shooting both pistol and rifle off. I have shot groups at five hundred yards of six inches with my Black Powder cartridge rifle using this bench.
If your range will allow you to use a portable bench then that would solve your problem. If this is of interest to you, I can send you some info on the bench (with pictures). If you are interested, send your email address in a P.M. to me.
FWIW Dale53
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After lapping the barrel in my new Ruger NMBH .44 Special due to thread choke and having the cylinder throats reamed by cylinderhone.net I now have a tack driver!! A 255 gr SWC driven by 4.2 grs. Titegroup is putting shot after shot in a 1” circle at 7-1/2 yds. & a 2” circle at 15 yds.! That is at a standing position with a rest. I'm a happy camper!
If someone else had of done to me what I did to myself . . . I'd have killed him. Humility is an asset. Heh - heh.
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Am looking at the Colt New Frontier in .44 Special. Hmmmmmm.
If it's in good condition and you don't pay too much for it, you can shoot it for a long time, if you decide to sell on or trade, probably will have plenty of takers.
I don't own a .44 Special, but do have a M29 Smith, I don't hear any complaints about the .44 Special, outside of what's already been said about firing a lot of Specials in a Magnum chamber or cylinder.
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