Ed Harris. Ruger worked on my gun

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tomme boy posted this 08 January 2015

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OU812 posted this 08 January 2015

I would not worry about the marks. You can polish them out with 5 degree brass lap, but gun will not shoot any better. That looks like a 5 degree included taper (2.5 degree per side).   Have you tried fire lapping? Cool gun BTW

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onondaga posted this 08 January 2015

Don't communicate directly with Ruger again about this pistol. Get an attorney and file suit.

Gary

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R. Dupraz posted this 08 January 2015

How does it shoot? No sense in fixing something that may not be broke.

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OU812 posted this 08 January 2015

I recently cut the throat on my S&W 686 using Brownells 5 degree cutter kit and it also made marks in that area. The brass lap cleaned them up some. I still get slight leading on top of rifling where it starts, but this does not hurt accuracy enough to tell difference.   Here is the bullet I designed for it. No crimp groove is needed with stiff Starline brass. Bullet can also be roll crimped slightly into surface to prevent movement with higher recoil loads.  Seat the bullet just long enough to touch forcing cone inside cylinder to help center. Linotype bullet is very accurate with stiff charge of Tin Star powder (about 1000 fps).

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pat i posted this 08 January 2015

R. Dupraz wrote: How does it shoot? No sense in fixing something that may not be broke.

I'd go with this.

I have a bore scope and have seen some pretty ratty looking barrels that shot great. I don't know what the newer Savage barrels look like but the ones I've had and looked at looked like a stretch of railroad track but you couldn't fault their performance.

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tomme boy posted this 08 January 2015

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onondaga posted this 09 January 2015

Consider telling them that opening up the constrictions in the chambers to be .0015” larger than the diameter they polish your throat smooth. That would make it good for cast bullets and you would have to size bullets for the largest that will chamber. I have had just that done and it works well for most any revolver.

Gary

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Pentz posted this 09 January 2015

+1. Your throat is larger than the charge holes and gas cutting before the bullet enters the rifling is leaving the leading ring. Anytime the bullets are smaller than that throat that will be the result.

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tomme boy posted this 09 January 2015

The cylinder throats are 0.358” The bullets are sized to 0.358” A unsized 0.361” bullet is swallowed up to the base of the bullet in the cone.

This cone as it is now is almost two times deeper than it was originally. They also replaced the cylinder as 3 of the holes were 0.359” and the other 3 were 0.357"

I know almost nothing about revolvers. But the way I look at the way they lengthened the cone, it is the same as if I shot 30K rounds through this gun or more. A new unchipped reamer woul have fixed this right up. But it looks like they are using tools way past the life of them.

We will see what they do I guess???

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OU812 posted this 09 January 2015

omme boy wrote: The cylinder throats are 0.358” The bullets are sized to 0.358”


You did say you know little about revolvers.   That looks like hot gas cutting past bullet in cylinder and spraying hot melted lead onto forcing cone of barrel. Sizing .001 larger will help seal better.    How are you measuring hole sizes?

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tomme boy posted this 09 January 2015

If it is cutting, it is as it enters the forcing cone.

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DR Owl Creek posted this 09 January 2015

tomme boy wrote: ...

This cone as it is now is almost two times deeper than it was originally ... But the way I look at the way they lengthened the cone, it is the same as if I shot 30K rounds through this gun or more. A new unchipped reamer woul have fixed this right up. But it looks like they are using tools way past the life of them.

... Tomme,

I'd be really PO'd too!   Dave

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OU812 posted this 09 January 2015

I use pin gauges or inside telescopic gauge to measure holes. The telescopic gauges can be purchase at Harbor Freight. Here is the throat on my S&W after I cleaned it up. It looked much like yours before hand.  

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OU812 posted this 09 January 2015

Here are the tools used.  

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Tom Acheson posted this 09 January 2015

Is that a hand tool or is it powered somehow when being used?

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OU812 posted this 09 January 2015

It is a hand tool from Brownells. Check for reamer wobble before cutting (bend threaded end to correct).

  The 357 is my favorite revolver to cast for...uses less lead, very accurate and less recoil.

  Here are some of my bullets. The RCBS 9MM bullet far right is a very excellent shooter. My Smith 686 never shot SWC very well.  ..

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Ed Harris posted this 09 January 2015

Sorry for your bad luck.  I left the company in 1988.  You aren't the first person to tell me that quality and customer service are different from when I was there.  When the Ruger family owned and ran the company those things were handled quite differently.  Now as a publicly owned company the stock holders, bean counters and lawyers rule.  

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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Pentz posted this 10 January 2015

My only experience was positive. Had a new Blackhawk Bisley with a canted front sight. Called Ruger and they sent UPS over with a label and returned it clocked correctly to my door no charge.

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M. W. Curtess posted this 11 January 2015

Depressing! Made me go look more closely at my more recently built 44 NMSBH and (love of my life) 44SRH. Whew! Dodged the bullet on bothof them. Absolute Perfection! (Are some Ruger production farmed out to Rolex?)

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Ed Harris posted this 11 January 2015

The Ruger single-actions I have bought from local gunshops since I left the company, have all been mechanically excellent.  The .45 ACP and .44-40 cylinders required reaming to use cast bullets, but shot well with factory jacketed ammo as they came.

The logic behind the tight cylinder throats dates back to the French 9mm revolvers, the first run in the early 1980s had normal for .38/.357 throats of .357-.3585.  The government customer complained about poor accuracy with 9mm jacketed ammo, and the throat diameters were reduced to .354-.3555 and accuracy was much improved. Similarly, after jacketed factory ammo became the norm, cylinder throat diameters were reduced to coincide to SAAMI Max. bullet diameter - 0.0015/+0.000 in the respective caliber. This WAS found to give better accuracy with jacketed loads, but frustrates the bullet caster. But Ruger's company policy has always been to neither recommend nor condone use of reloaded ammunition, because its manufacture is beyond their control.  So they really don't care if your cylinder throats are too tight to use anything other than factory ammunition. The lawyers smile when you ream your throats, because now the gun is no longer factory standard and any mishaps which result are “on your nickel” and they prefer it that way. 

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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