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6pt-sika posted this 27 November 2013

There is really no place on here to talk about shotguns . Be it casting slugs , buckshot or birdshot .

I am not a big advocate of casting slugs although I am getting an intrest in roundballs for the 10, 12 and 16 gauges . I also load buckshot for the 10 , 12 , 16 and 20 although I have not gone so far as to cast buckshot .

I am starting to find that 58 cal mini balls seem to work relatively well in 16 gauge smoothbores and the possibility of 69 cal mini balls working in the variouse 12 gauges might also be an option .

 

Anyway there might be a use for such a forum addition !

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RicinYakima posted this 27 November 2013

I also cast round balls and buck for brass 12 gauge. A separate forum could be of use. Ric

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mike morrison posted this 27 November 2013

slugs from lyman mould and lee mould. have use 311 round balls for buckshot loads. got a .690 round ball mould but have not loaded andy so far.

I agree. m

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Michael K posted this 27 November 2013

I dabble a little bit with the Lyman sabot slug, Shoots surprisingly well out of a 870 with a rifled Rem choke tube. Just needed a couple of minor tweeks in loading process. Michael.

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Duane Trusty posted this 27 November 2013

I am interested.

Duane

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onondaga posted this 28 November 2013

I like the Sharp Shooter buckshot molds and have a couple. The “O” Buck fits perfectly with 9 pellets in 3 by 3 arrangement in 12 ga shot-cups. I do add PRPSB shot buffer before crimping.  The “O” buck makes a good coyote load and a good home defense load. My rifled choke tube sends the buckshot with a kill pattern to 100 yards for man or beast.

http://www.buckshotmold.com/>http://www.buckshotmold.com/

I cast 20 at a time using straight range scrap lead (BHN 7-8) with their $39.99 mold and my regular star crimp works fine. Be sure and check every terrific video on the site too.

Gary

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6pt-sika posted this 28 November 2013

onondaga wrote: I like the Sharp Shooter buckshot molds and have a couple.http://www.buckshotmold.com/>http://www.buckshotmold.com/

I watched “Bubba Roundtree” on Youtube casting with their molds .

Based on my personal needs for buckshot I can typically find it cheaper to buy loose buckshot . Then buying molds and using my preciouse lead supply .

I have a pretty good accumulation of 000 , 00 and 0 . I have enough #3 for awhile if I only use it in the 20 gauge . However my supply of #1 isn't as much as I like to keep on hand . Might just bite the bullet (no pun intended) and order 8 pounds of #1 from BPI although I truely dislike doing buisness with them !

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Shadowdog posted this 28 November 2013

I also would like to have a shotgun section. I dabble in cast round balls for my 12ga. Ithaca Deer Slayer. I haven't found a slug yet that shoots as well as a .69 round ball in my Ithaca 37. I gave up on the LEE 1oz. slug mold years ago, don't even know where it's at now and could care less. I hear their 7/8 oz slug is better though, haven't tried it myself.

I do have some sabots for .58 Minie in 12ga. Haven't tried them yet, but someday...

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Balhincher posted this 28 November 2013

A shotgun category would be a good addition to the topics list. I had some modest success with a Lyman 12 ga slug a few years ago. Managed to get about the same accuracy as commercial slugs in a Hastings barreled 11-87 and shot a few deer with that slug before Indiana changed their laws to allow hunting with rifles.

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6pt-sika posted this 29 November 2013

I have a Savage 210F bolt action 12 gauge rifled slug gun that shoots factory Remington 2 3/4” AccuTip slugs very well at 100 yards , usually 3 at that distance are easily in 1 1/2” . I also have a Savage 220 bolt action 20 gauge rifled slug gun that shoots 2 3/4” Remington AccuTip in almost an inch for 3 at 100 . In this element of shotguns and “deer ammo” I have no reason to try and improve !

I also need to pick up one of the 220's in a LH version for my wife .

 

My main point of intrest is in variouse old classic side by sides and drillings I have in my accumulation !

I've alreay loaded buckshot for three of the 10 gauge guns and smoked deer with them as well as my damascus 16 gauge Parker GH . Now with that being said I still have several sizes of buck I'd like to atleast take a deer with in the 10 gauge guns . And there are 6-10 12 gauge guns I plan on using with my 0 buck load . Have a 16 gauge drilling I'd love to take a deer with buck another with ball and a third with the rifle barrel !

Same can be said for a 12 gauge drilling I have although the drillings I may just use plain old factory Foster style slugs .

 

Which gets me to the roundball or mini ball aspect of things with the old 10's 12's and 16's . I have a ways to go before I'm going to be bored enough to start actual testing for that but I am already working on what I wanna try and use in this application .

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onondaga posted this 29 November 2013

http://castbulletassoc.org/view_user.php?id=1088>6pt-sika An interesting point I learned along the way with round balls in 12 gauge regards fit.  The accuracy was all over the place with round balls till I got the size that fit in a shotcup and the ball/shotcup combination took a 5-10 pound push with a cleaning rod to get it through the muzzle from the breech. That snug fit, in my opinion, stabilizes  the ball down the bore and seriously means the difference in accuracy. For my 12 ga this works with a .690 ball and an AA wad in an AA hull. Several charges work fine that are manual recommendations equal to 1 and 1/8 ounce shot charges.

Gary

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6pt-sika posted this 29 November 2013

onondaga wrote: http://castbulletassoc.org/view_user.php?id=1088>6pt-sika An interesting point I learned along the way with round balls in 12 gauge regards fit.  The accuracy was all over the place with round balls till I got the size that fit in a shotcup and the ball/shotcup combination took a 5-10 pound push with a cleaning rod to get it through the muzzle from the breech. That snug fit, in my opinion, stabilizes  the ball down the bore and seriously means the difference in accuracy. For my 12 ga this works with a .690 ball and an AA wad in an AA hull. Several charges work fine that are manual recommendations equal to 1 and 1/8 ounce shot charges.

Gary

I'm actually thinking 69 cal mini balls may work better , that way I can wrap the mini ball with tape to make them have the correct fit inside the wad . Same thing with the 16's !

 

I've read alot of the fellows who mess with roundballs in the 12 gauge have problems with the roundballs being maybe a hair to tight in the choke and snipping the petals as it goes thru the choke . Hopefully with mini balls and tape this can be lessened to a degree .

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6pt-sika posted this 29 November 2013

Now I'm sure I have no mini ball option for the 10 gauge guns !

 

My LC Smith and Ithaca NID shouldn't be a big deal with roundballs although the ball will need to be .720” plus . But in my W&C Scott which says on the underside of the barrel “not for ball” , this thing has constrictions that may be alot more difficult to deal with and may require a completely different mold then the other two 10 gaugers !

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6pt-sika posted this 01 December 2013

Hmmmm this request must have fallen on deaf ears !

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pat i posted this 01 December 2013

Craig write an email to Mike and John A. and see what they say. Don't feel alone though. I asked about a muzzleloader section quite a while ago and it ain't here yet.

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6pt-sika posted this 01 December 2013

pat i. wrote: Craig write an email to Mike and John A. and see what they say. Don't feel alone though. I asked about a muzzleloader section quite a while ago and it ain't here yet.

Mike is the webdude correct ?

 

Who is John ?

Or should I say who shot John LOL's !

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pat i posted this 01 December 2013

Mike is the guy in charge of this site and John Alexander is president of the CBA, One of them should be able to help you. Both their contact information is one the CBA website

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onondaga posted this 01 December 2013

http://castbulletassoc.org/view_user.php?id=1088>6pt-sika

Yes, the petal snipping indicates a ball or slug is too tight in the wad and is an accuracy killer. I have been really happy with the fit/accuracy of a .690 ball, AA wad and AA hull.

 The petal snipping tips the wad exiting the muzzle and the upset changes ball path.

Gary

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6pt-sika posted this 03 December 2013

Okat I emailed the web dude and the other guy !

We'll see if this falls on deaf ears or atleast is replied to !

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6pt-sika posted this 03 December 2013

Well I got replies from them both and as you can see they made a new forum or section whatever one cares to call it !

 

That whole process was actually rather painless !

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John Alexander posted this 04 December 2013

As the “other guy” and also the same guy that wrote a four part article for the Fouling Shot about developing an accurate slug load for a rifled 20 gauge back in 2005, I am looking forward to the discussions under the new shotgun heading.

One thing I found out while doing research for the articles was that at that time the five or six factory slug loads that I could buy for under $2.50 per bang had such poor accuracy that they should have been limited to 25 yards (10-12 inch groups at 50 yards. Two gold plated brands shot in the neighborhood of 3” at 50 yards.

My best handloads would average about 4” and killed two deer at nearly 90 yards and a couple closer.

I understand that some of the available factory loads are much better now but you can still save money with a good handload.

John

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