Still no primers!

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Idahocaster posted this 05 February 2022

Here in eastern Idaho I still can't find primers on the shelves anywhere. Maybe our market here is just too small to be worth it for the distributors. Anyone have primers available in their neck of the woods?

Tyler

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Bud Hyett posted this 05 February 2022

They appear in Western Washington, but few make it past the store personnel picking up for themselves or friends. The price is $79.00 and above.

I'm in good shape for this year's matches and the Nationals, but next year could be a challenge. If this does not alleviate soon, I'll be shooting flintlocks in 2023.

Farm boy from Illinois, living in the magical Pacific Northwest

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 05 February 2022

i have been re-thinking electronic ignition ... ever short out a 1000 mfd capacitor ? ... remington was 20 years ahead of this game ...

ken

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JohnForrest posted this 05 February 2022

You give off alot of static Ken, not sure the average dude has your abilities?

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Eutectic posted this 06 February 2022

I was at a local big sporting store last week. Plenty of 9mm and 223 ammo all kinds of pistol ammo. Some small rifle primers 90$ a brick. A few types of rifle powders, no pistol powders. Powder Valley has some rifle powders.

Hang on, there are a lot of shooters who are running out. Everyone is stocking up the first chance they get. I think supply will improve soon but the prices may shock you.

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OU812 posted this 06 February 2022

I wonder what the current hazmat/shipping prices are?

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OU812 posted this 08 February 2022

Midway's average price for a box of 1000 primers is about $80.00. I just sold a box of CCI small pistol primers to a friend of mine for $40.00

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TRKakaCatWhisperer posted this 08 February 2022

i have been re-thinking electronic ignition ... ever short out a 1000 mfd capacitor ? ... remington was 20 years ahead of this game ...

ken

the 20 and 30mm aircraft cannon rounds are fired electronically. It's faster/more reliable.

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John Carlson posted this 09 February 2022

True that 20/30 mm are fired electronically, but they still use a primer..

John Carlson. CBA Director of Military Competition.

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longhunter posted this 09 February 2022

This is just not right!

I'm with the Grumpy old man!

Jon

Jon Welda CW5 USA Ret.

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Rich/WIS posted this 12 February 2022

Was at he gunshow in Corbin Ky today. Plenty of ammo but pricey, even common calibers like 06 and 270 were well north of $30 for 20, even best price on 223/556 was bout 80 cents a round. There were NO reloading components to be found, only primers in the place were the 4 K I sold for $60/K and they were gone between the door and the first table. Probably could have got more $ but felt quilty enough at that price. FWIW saw a number of guns sold but prices were ridiculous even on well used guns.

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Shuz posted this 12 February 2022

Idahocaster-- Yesterday the Black Sheep in CDA had CCI BR 2 for $11.99/C and small pistol Remington 1-1/2's for $6.99/C limit 500. They seemed to have several thousand in stock as of yesterday afternoon!

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Tom Acheson posted this 15 February 2022

A good friend shoots handgun silhouette with a Remington XP-100. It has an electronic trigger. But at our winter time (cold) matches, it does not function reliably.

Tom

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John Alexander posted this 18 February 2022

The local Sportsman's Warehouse sold primers for pre pandemic prices when they had them up to a month ago. Only on Saturday at the 9 AM opening first come first served. One pound and 500 primer limit. But got complaints from small time grifters who fared better by inside deals and could triple their money at gun shows. Black markets work perfectly as long as there are people willing to pay triple or more and stores help them get the goods instead of selling at normal prices. This could become a stable supply line at triple the price If we cooperate. Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean there not out to get you.

John

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John Carlson posted this 18 February 2022

On the rare occasions our local Scheels has had primers lately they were priced near $100/brick. Manager swears they are only applying their normal markup but someone is taking advantage of the situation.

John Carlson. CBA Director of Military Competition.

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Ross Smith posted this 23 February 2022

Just saw 1000 BP caps(#11) for $150!

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 23 February 2022

Cci suggested retail on no. 200 lr is $70 . Extrapolate from there ... Geeeezze

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John Alexander posted this 23 February 2022

Does anybody believe it costs twice as much to make primers than it did two years ago? I wonder if we really have a free competitive market in primers. It wouldn't be the first time that other factors were at work to avoid competition and keep prices high to improve the lot of the poor stockholders. Some of our drug prices are an example.

John

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Bud Hyett posted this 23 February 2022

The collaboration between accounting and marketing is at the least "unholy". Accounting will set a price based on their research. It reminds me of my early days on the farm when we put blinders on the horses so they could see only where they were driven.

The initial product offering's final approval is always accounting to assure the company does not suffer. Even if the initial pricing is break-even to penetrate the market, there is a recovery plan to get back to a profit. Accountants run every big company and they are the "sneaky snakes" who look only at their balance sheets.

As an example, in the auto industry, buying a car part-by-part would be five times more costly for just the parts, you'd still have to pay labor to assemble. The auto industry plan is to sell low and make a profit on repairs.

With the new company in Texas entering the primer market, there should be lower prices. The other item is once the primers start accumulating, there will be sales. Alice and I have enough primers for 2022 and 2023, after that we'll be shooting flintlocks.

Farm boy from Illinois, living in the magical Pacific Northwest

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John Carlson posted this 24 February 2022

As I understand it, Winchester's primer production largely goes to government ammunition contracts. CCI, Federal, and Remington are all owned by one company, Vista. The Remington bankruptcy shut down their primer production, not sure it has yet come back on line since Vista acquired it.

Certainly the great increase in demand started the whole problem but there seems to have been no effort to increase production to meet the demand. As John Alexander commented, It seems unlikely that the cost of putting primers on the shelf has tripled (the few I do see are $100/brick). Many other components are available at prices only modestly higher than before. I can buy 22 magnum ammo and 9mm fmj at roughly 50% over what they were 2 years ago. 22LR are now available but at around $100/brick. or triple previous prices. Even at $100/brick there are no primers on the shelves around here.

News of a new (and presumably independent) producer of primers is very welcome as would be access to imports, but that may be a while.

John Carlson. CBA Director of Military Competition.

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John Carlson posted this 26 February 2022

Clark auction today, primers mostly brought $200+/brick, one lot $300/brick. Oh yeah, +13% buyers premium.

John Carlson. CBA Director of Military Competition.

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