Lighter CB Hunting Load for .30-30

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Wilderness posted this 3 weeks ago

My current hunting load for the 99 Savage .30-30 is a 175 gn HP cast bullet loaded at 2150 fps. Bullet is #321297HP, about 16 BHN, sized .312". A recent post covered my return to 748 after a few years using LeveRevolution. I rezeroed recently, and have the 748 load shooting a little under an inch high at 100 meters.

I also have the need for a lighter load for smaller and closer animals, and perhaps for situations requiring a softer report. For that I have used #311576HP, 110 gns, same alloy as for the big stuff. My loading objective for this bullet has been to have it shooting as close as possible to dead on at 50 meters with the rifle zeroed for the regular hunting load. This involved some ladder-like trial and error. My preferred load was 12 gns Unique (1900 fps) until I ran out of Unique.

This is #311576HP, seated to engage the throat.

 

 

 

A friend gave me some old Norma R-23, intended originally for .357 and .44 Magnum. The load I have come up with is 15 gns. Velocity is 1998 fps, SD 21.

Herewith the result at 50 meters, group 1.35", warmer usefully close to the group, vertical POI good, but lateral POI problematic. I have found with this bullet that powder selection feeds into lateral POI, partly why Unique was the original choice. Wind has been an issue as well, casting doubt on both the 175 gn and the 110 gn lateral zeros.

Until I get a better handle on the lateral zeros I'll just have to be careful about what sort of profile I shoot at.

Target image was obtained by scanning. I hadn't thought of doing targets like that before.

The Lee 110 gn soup can is another bullet I have used in this application.

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 3 weeks ago

it occurs to me that your 110 gr bullet looks a lot like a bigger 225438 ... which shoots above it's predicted abilities ...   

i bet there is some accuracy left in that casting ...   especially if backed off to 1800-1900 ...

... not that 1.4 inches at 50 meters is not pretty dang useful  ...

I enjoy your projects ... ken

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Wilderness posted this 3 weeks ago

Thanks Ken - I haven't put any effort into fine tuning this load beyond getting it to the required vertical POI. Then lateral POI is the main disappointment for future attention. Different powder?

I didn't mention smoke as a possible load characteristic. When shooting at night with NV, the IR light reflects back off the smoke, producing a whiteout effect upon firing. This is particularly bad with LVR powder, with 5-10 second whiteout after the shot, less if there's a good wind. The 748 loads appear to be better, and I'm hoping the light loads might be better again. Next test.

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shootcast posted this 2 weeks ago

Wilderness 

It’s been probably 30+ years ago. I used the Lee 115 FN. The first center fire rifle I bought and still have, Savage 170 in 30-30. That’s a pump gun, sold like hotcakes for a few years. As I remember Unique was a good powder. 

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shootcast posted this 2 weeks ago

Wilderness 

I forgot to mention. Here on the east coast in the area I live, long shots at ground hogs wasn’t the normal. So I stalked within 100 yards and popped them with that 30-30. Good off season practice for our deer season. Same rifle different cast bullet load. I haven’t shot that rifle for quite some time. If we get this Misfit match going I will give it a try. Shouldn’t be much if any difference between lever and pump. I just have to find a couple people interested in a pump match.

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Wilderness posted this 2 weeks ago

SC - curious to know if you had synchronised zeros for your CB loads, although probably not needed with deer off limits for most of the year.

I haven't tested the concept in tube magazine rifles. These might be more inclined to separate the POI than my Savage 99.

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Larry Gibson posted this 2 weeks ago

In years past i shot quite a few 311316s {GC'd 115 gr 32-20 bullet] out of several M94 30-30s and a few bolt actions of various cartridge chamberings.  Back then I mostly used 8 gr of unique under the 311316s for just under 1500 fps from a M94 carbine.  It shot quite well and was very lethal on jack rabbits, squirrels and rock chucks.  Never shot a deer with it though.

Yesterday I got around to threading my Contender carbine 30-30 barrel for a suppressor.  I have some 311316s loaded over 4 gr of Bullseye which run 1050 fps out of the Contender.  That load shoots lest than 1 1/2" at 50 yards.  Be interesting to see how quiet it is out of the suppressed barrel.

LMG

Concealment is not cover.........

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Wilderness posted this 2 weeks ago

Larry - that would be a wonderful piece of gear for my NV shooting! Unfortunately, suppressors are pretty tightly regulated over here.

As per a previous post, I have had good results from #311008 plain base with 4.3 gns Red Dot - subsonic from 24" barrel, and on the last test a 10 shot composite group of 1.1" at 50 meters (Edit: 2 moa). This was from Marlin 336A Rippletop with Lyman 66LA and 17A sights. Love those subsonics!

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shootcast posted this 2 weeks ago

Wilderness 

I just don’t remember but I doubt POI was same. 30+ years ago but do remember the bullet & powder. Deer season load was completely different bullet, load & powder. That rifle now over 55+ yrs. 
Admiring Larry’s TC. Another Break Open for a possible match.

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shootcast posted this 2 weeks ago

Larry

If you had all year to get to a sanctioned club would you shoot that TC Contender in a Break Open match ?

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Larry Gibson posted this 2 weeks ago

Yes, I certainly would.

LMG

Concealment is not cover.........

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Eddie Southgate posted this 2 weeks ago

Can't help on this , my alternate bullet to the 170 grain cast is a 190 grain . Never needed a light bullet load in .30-30 . I'd try whatever Larry Gibson suggests if I were going to try a lighter bullet . 

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max503 posted this 2 weeks ago

I shot this in one of the postal matches with my TC 30-30 rifle barrel.  Don't remember the range.  

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longhunter posted this 6 days ago

50 yds If I remember right.

Jon

Jon Welda CW5 USA Ret.

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