30-30 pistol powder

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jimkim posted this 10 July 2008

  I have now loaded my 30-30 with unique,blue dot,red dot and 2400. I want more loads using pistol powder. I would like some using 700x,800x or PB. Bullet weights would be 100-180 gr cast lead OR jacketed. If you have some please share them. I have the Trail Boss data already. Thank you so much.Jim

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mike morrison posted this 25 May 2009

ho-hum, now i find this thread. last week i consulted my lyman book and decided on 7.0 700x with the lyman 173gr boolet. shot from a 94 winchester trapper with 16” bbl this load grouped about 4” at 100yds and chronyed average 1150 for ten shots. i was pleased. m

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hunterspistol posted this 25 May 2009

700X loads for 30-30 from Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook:

 115 grain #311441- 7.0 grains to 8.9

 151 grain #311440- 6.5 grains to 8.0

 169 grain #311291- 6.0 grains to 7.5

 170 grain #31141-   6.0 grains to 7.5

 173 grain #311407- 6.0 grains to 7.5

     I realize this is an old thread, but here's the 700X answer. :armyhelmet:

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QuickRick posted this 15 May 2009

;) I searched for a cast bullet load my M-94 several years ago with similar criteria in mind.  Using the RCBS 150 grn GC bullet mould (without the GC) I wanted to equal the snap of full power 357 mag loads from a long barreled pistol.  I finally settled on 9.5 grns of Herco ignited with CCI 300 large pistol primers.  I use the bullets as cast (usual diameter 309.5 - .310) lubed with Lee liquid alox. This load produces around 1,450 fps from my rifle. It has surprising punch with powder puff recoil. I've used the load for years. I originally found it as an “accuracy load” in a Lyman manual with their bullet of the same weight. There is only one negative for me to gripe about.  Herco is very bulky and I've had it bridge with smaller diameter drop tubes on my powder measures.  I've solved the problem by dropping the charges from a larger diameter drop tube into 44 mag cases, then into the 30-30 cases via a powder funnel.  Haven't used it for jacketed bullets in 30-30 but it works great for reduced jacketed bullet loads in 222 and 223 Remington with 40-50 grn bullets in the 2200 - 2500 fps velocity range.

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linoww posted this 24 July 2008

If you have'nt done so, you might try some R-P brass.  I found that some lots had necks of thinner wall thickness than other.......of course that's true for other types as well. 

w30wcf

Thats what I am doing.I may turn some necks even though they will be fragile.I am curiuos what i can so with bigger bullets.

George

"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!

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w30wcf posted this 24 July 2008

linoww,

I have 2 Marlin .30-30's.  One is a 336SC (Sporting Carbine)made in '49. It has a .310” dia. 4 groove barrel.  It will take a bullet up to .313” diameter in the R-P bras that I have.  I normally shoot .311-.312” diameter bullets in it.

The other is a 12 groove 336A made in '77.  Its 24” barrel has a  groove diameter of .308” and a bore diameter of .300".  Using the lot of R-P brass I have, it will take a bullet of .312” diameter but I normally shoot .310” diameter bullets in it.

Several years ago I had the pleasure of working with two other marlin .30-30's.....a 16 groove made in 1957 and a 22 groove made in 1961.  Both barrels had a bore diameter of .304 and a groove diameter of .308, give or take .0005".  I shot .310” diameter lino bullets (311041) in them with good accuracy at 2,000 f.p.s. (2” to 2 1/4” groups @ 100).  @ 2,200 f.p.s. groups doubled in size since the oversized bore was not supporting the .301” diameter nose.   I did not test them to see if they would have taken larger bullets.  I used R-P brass in those tests. 

If you have'nt done so, you might try some R-P brass.  I found that some lots had necks of thinner wall thickness than other.......of course that's true for other types as well. 

w30wcf

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jimkim posted this 24 July 2008

Thanks for your post. Guys it means a lot to me.

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linoww posted this 24 July 2008

j Kort-

Run the .312” bullets through the die Will you Marlins take bullets that big or bigger? Mine wont take a bullet much over .3095.Mine are some of the 20+ Microgroove versions from the late 60's.I was curios if you know if the 12-16 groove Marlins had throating and neck differences from mine.I seem ot remember being able to chamber larger bullets in one i had 15 years ago but cant remember the rifling type,but it was Microgoove of some sort.

George

"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!

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giorgio de galleani posted this 24 July 2008

Actually the post before this should have been  sent to ED HARRIS as a PM.

Have been loading 170 gr bullets with fast shotgun powder,To morrow I'll try Vihtavuori 110 ,very similar to the old 2400.

Giorgio.

PS of course I am wearing a flotation Jacket,usually I am thinner.

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giorgio de galleani posted this 24 July 2008

I have your story on getting the most from your 22 long rifle,in Gun Digest 1991,

What is the title that got your first Amber Award?

The 1986 story on the M16A2?

I ve not forgotten Your moulds,

I have been on the Wide Missouri,G.

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w30wcf posted this 22 July 2008

George,  Whoever bought your mold got an extremely good deal!!  I paid $75 for mine and that was about 10 years ago.

jimkim, I don't have any experience with Western bullet co but you might want to order some 3118's and a Lee .311” push through sizing die that fits into you reloading press. Run the .312” bullets through the die and load thm over either 5.5/231 or 6.0/ Unique or Universal or Trail Boss, or 7.0/ Blue Dot. You should be pleasantly surprised.:D

Either the 311291, 311041 or the 180 RCBS are great molds for the .30-30.

Have fun!

w30wcf     

 

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linoww posted this 22 July 2008

It is the RCBS 180FN and is not available in a HP version.You can find HP 31141's used sometimes,but they are about $75-$100.I don't think they are necessary in the 30-30 if you shoot wheel weight and keep velocity in the 1600-1800 range.Friend Bob Mills has shot 16+ animals with flat nosed 30's like that and says they work great up to about 125.

George Damron

"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!

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jimkim posted this 22 July 2008

Ok thats the RCBS 30-180-FN? Can I order it in a HP? I want a hollow point with a large bearing surface.

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linoww posted this 22 July 2008

jimkim wrote: It looks like I am going to buy my first bullet mold. I think it will be the Ranch Dog TLC311-165-RF.  http://ranchdogmolds.com/>http://ranchdogmolds.com/  Next I want to try the Lyman 311041.

Then I don't know what next any other suggestions?

The Lee mold from Ranch Dog looks pretty good,tell me how it shoots.

The RCBS 180FN also does real well and I have  the 311041 and it's also a winner.The  Lee 170FN bullet did good for me,but it was 15 yrs ago and I dont remember the exact details.I was shooting it in a Savage 340 bolt gun at full power cast out of Linotype.

George

"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!

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linoww posted this 22 July 2008

Do you still have the mold? 

Sold it for a mighty $20 last year.I figured as much about the bullet lenght/seating depth.it was almost a “base band” bullet.

George

"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!

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jimkim posted this 22 July 2008

It looks like I am going to buy my first bullet mold. I think it will be the Ranch Dog TLC311-165-RF.  http://ranchdogmolds.com/>http://ranchdogmolds.com/  Next I want to try the Lyman 311041.

Then I don't know what next any other suggestions?

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w30wcf posted this 22 July 2008

linoww wrote: Interesting subject. Historically speaking, from 1896 to the mid 1920's, .30-30 “Short Range” cartridges “For small game where the more powerful cartridge is not necessary" were offered as a standard factory loading.

I had a Winchester mold of about 115 grains marked 30 WCF SR..It was all nose and a very short body that cast .307 out of W/W? I always assumed this was the short range bullet, Is this correct?

George

George,

Yes, that was the 2nd “Short Range” bullet circa 1904-1924.  Advertised weight was 117 grs. in pure lead.  The first was 100 grs. circa 1896 to 1903.  The reason it was mostly nose is because it was loaded close to the same overall length as the standard loading.   Do you still have the mold?                                                             

From the John Witzel collection: http://www.armorypub.com/Witzel/3030/WRACo_3_117_SR_FN_Pb_ss.jpg>

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cityboy posted this 21 July 2008

I goofed; I left out the name of the computer program. It's QuickLoad.

Jim

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cityboy posted this 21 July 2008

One must be very careful using fast pistol or shotgun powders in a rifle. Some of these powders are intended to be used ONLY at moderate pressures. Check the loading data to see what the highest pressure they are used for. Some shotgun powders are rated to something like 12,000 to 15,000 psi. I like to use Alliant powders because they rate their fast powders to something like 30,000 psi.

If you use the computer program, look in the users manual, there is a good discussion on the use of fast powders.

Cityboy

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giorgio de galleani posted this 21 July 2008

 I have read the posts in those shooters forums.

About this danger of shooting reduced fast powder loads without a wad to keep the powder near the primer,

I am asking myself is not this the loading density of the millions of factory  38 sp.bullseye target loads that has been shot in the past 100 years?

There should have been thousands of burst revolvers,even from people using factory loads.

I have been taught that dacron or natural  fiber fillers may sometimes bulge chambers.

I fear  to be more dangerous to shoot double dose loads or have bullets stuck in the bore.

That's why I love 357 magnum tevolvers,they are strong  and have thick cylinders.

G.

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linoww posted this 21 July 2008

Interesting subject. Historically speaking, from 1896 to the mid 1920's, .30-30 “Short Range” cartridges “For small game where the more powerful cartridge is not necessary" were offered as a standard factory loading.

I had a Winchester mold of about 115 grains marked 30 WCF SR..It was all nose and a very short body that cast .307 out of W/W? I always assumed this was the short range bullet, Is this correct?

George

"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!

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