Multiple cavity moulds?

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416Rigby posted this 27 December 2007

I am thinking about getting back into casting. 

My initial try was with Lee products, and it was a major disappointment.  I am going to spend some money and get a RCBS pro-melt.  Hopefully, that will take care of that issue.  The other issue is moulds.

I started with 2 cavity moulds.  I would really like to go to 4 or 6 cavity moulds.  Is there any disadvantage or advantages to using 4 or 6 cavities? 

I would be loading for at least 2 calibers from the start.  44 cal and .500 for the 500 S&W.  I prefer heavy bullet weights(300+ for the 44, and 440+ for the 500), and large flat points.  Can anyone suggest a particular mould maker?

Smith

 

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CB posted this 27 December 2007

Hi 416Rigby

I know you can get a 4 and 6 cavity for the 44cal, but I don't think there is one available, even custom for the 500..

I believe Veral Smith of LBT Moulds has bullet moulds like you describe. He makes excellent moulds, I have several including a 2 cavity 44WFN that casts beautiful bullets. I think he may be able to make that in a 4 cavity.

http://www.lbtmoulds.com

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CB posted this 28 December 2007

416,

I have a Lee 4 cavity mold for 310gr 44. That mould isn't like the scissor like the 2 cavity moulds. The Lee mould is a flat nose bullet. I shoot heavy bullets in my contenders. For the 500, try this place: http://www.mountainmolds.com/

They have a 665 gr 50 cal. They custom make the mold for you, but this does take a while to recieve them.

I know about where you live in the Buckeye state, I live about 20 miles away from BFE Ohio in eastern part of the state

Hope this helps,

Jerry

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Veral Smith posted this 28 December 2007

You will be happy if you get LBT molds in either 2 or 4 cavity, and I make 4 cavity in any caliber up to .512.   I'm quite sure casting rate of LBT molds will exceed that of any other brand of molds with similar number of cavities, and can assure you it will, by about double if the mold is made of iron or steel.  The high casting rate of LBT molds is primarily obtained because the blocks are more massive than other manufactures, which dissipates heat more rapidly. Contact me at           LBTMoulds.com

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linoww posted this 28 December 2007

I'm quite sure casting rate of LBT molds will exceed that of any other brand of molds with similar number of cavities.

 

I get 250+ bullets per hour with a 2-cavity 22 caliber LBT. This includes the warm-up cycle.Timed in 10 minute periods when all warmed up I can cast 50-54 bullets.

This is ladle poured as per the instruction that come with the mold.Follow them closely,they work!!

 

Geo.

"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!

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CB posted this 28 December 2007

A fast rate is desired, but some times it can not be achieved.

Happy New Years,

Jerry

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linoww posted this 28 December 2007

 but some times it can not be achieved.

I agree with that.I am 41 years old so maybe my “casting music" selection speeds me up as opposed to some of the old farts “rocking-out” to Motzart and the Beatles.I tell you some Lester Flatt and Earl Scruggs Bluegrass gets you going,switch off to the Ramones for casting hour #2 and you hardly can stop .I end the session with Pink Floyd or Tom Waits to ease me off the hard stuff<G>

 

fast rate

That .22 mold seems to thrive on fast casting as It needs it to keep warm.I also had a LBT 2-cavity .30/ 200g that was nearly as fast.i cant say what bigger bullets would be like.I am happy with his molds and am ordering another  right now.

 

George

"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!

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CB posted this 28 December 2007

I had both elbows worked on and carpel tunnel surgery on my right hand, but I am a blacksmith by trade and during the colder months, I am a jeweler.

I start with some punk, then maybe some hard rock, easing in to a set with the Ramones, after that it may be I am the Walrus.

Jerry

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linoww posted this 28 December 2007

 

miestro_jerry wrote: I had both elbows worked on and carpel tunnel surgery on my right hand, but I am a blacksmith by trade and during the colder months, I am a jeweler.

I start with some punk, then maybe some hard rock, easing in to a set with the Ramones, after that it may be I am the Walrus. Jerry

Funny<G>

I also have carpel tunnel from 18 years of foundation and framing work.At times I can not cast bullets at all.I havent had to do surgery as the last 4 years i am in an office using CAD software to design roof truss systems.It seems to be fine most of the time,but can flare up if I start casting with heavy molds like the H&G 8-10 cav's.Thats why I sold them all.The LBT's out of aluminum sure are a joy to use after one of those big  pigs.

 

George

"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!

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416Rigby posted this 28 December 2007

I am in the proces of deciding/aquiring equipment. In the next month or so, I'll be ordering a few moulds. I have always like the LBT LFN and WFN bullets, so going to LBT for the moulds is sound advice. I'll have to make room in the budget.

Smith

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CB posted this 28 December 2007

George,

Get the surgery before the numbness becomes permanent or the loose of use also becomes permanent.

 

:lovecast:

 

Jerry

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linoww posted this 28 December 2007

miestro_jerry wrote: George,

Get the surgery before the numbness becomes permanent or the loose of use also becomes permanent.

 

:lovecast:

 

Jerry

The last time I had a doc check it out with the annoying “shock your tendon test” they didnt want to do anythig about it .That was 6 years go and may have been due to my age.I havent had it hurt like it used to,but if I use a paintbrush( i always avoid that) that motion always kills me.I can swing a hammer all weekend and no problems ,but like i said holding and operating a very heavy mold gets it numb later on that night.

 

Geo.

"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!

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CB posted this 28 December 2007

Geo,

In doing my everyday work, the problems would come and go, hurt real bad some times. I saw a couple of hand specialist who want to wait for further signs of the progression, but when those signs come about the damage has been done and may not go away after the surgery.

So I found a hand doctor and explained to him about what I do and the problems I was having, he said that I may be on the border line for permanent damage. So he did a couple of tests and sent me out for another test, then talked to me on the phone, then he said we will get your scheduled for surgery.

Two weeks later I had the surgery, after the bandages came off, I started to do simple things again with that hand, no pain like before. Then more complex heavier things, still no pain. The worse thing was the incision in my hand, that was tender for 6 weeks, the doctor said to rub that area on my jeans and it will desensitize, it did about a few weeks. During all of this healing up, I cut a 1/2 carat diamond in to a Trillium pattern and made a ring to mount it in. No pain from the carpel tunnel, just from the incision. Beautiful ring, really put a smile on a ladies face. :)

Happy New Year,

Jerry

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zap posted this 16 January 2008

When I was a contractor I used to have this same issue...waking up with numb or burning arms and hands.  Turned out, it wasn't my arms or hands, it was my neck.  A good chiropractor got me straightened out after 4 or 5 visits.  However, there for a while, when I felt it flaring up again, I'd just go back to the chiro and he'd get it all working well again.  I've not had that symptom in years now.

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CB posted this 16 January 2008

George and Jerry

I also have carpal tunnel from many years of mechanic work. I decieded to switch professions and went into electonics which involved many hours of soldering circuit boards and computer work using something similar to a cad/cam program. I would loose the feeling in the middle, ring and little finger in both hands. Wake up in the middle of the night with your hands and arms burning and lots of pain.

Went to the doc and they did this wonderful EMG test and told me that until I stopped doing the things that were irritating the condition, surgery was only a temporary fix. They sent me to PT and the gal there showed me some simple exersizes to stretch out the tendons and that helped.

Using the computer is as bad as any other task that can irritate the condition.

Get one of the mouse pads that have the gel pad and also the keyboard gel pad. Having your hands and wrists at the proper angle will help. Also get a pair of the splint braces and wear them at night. We tend or flex open and closing our hands and bending our wrists, sort of curling them up, as we sleep. This causes additional repetitive motion furthering the condition. The splints stop that to an extent.

It is called repetitive motion injury or RMI for short. The only real cure even after surgery is to stop doing the motion that caused it.

I will see if I can find the instructions with diagrams they gave me in PT and post it for everyone. The exersizes are very simple. Place your hand flat on a table with your fingers spread out and gently press down, you will feel it in your wrists and palm as the tendons stretch out.

Another is to allow your arms and hands to hang loosely at your sides and rigorously shake them for a few seconds. This will help get the blood flow back into your hands and arms.

Finally, take your arms and rotate them in large circles in one direction and then in the other direction.

Doing this helps, but there is much more you can do to minimize the stress the repetitive motion causes.

There is something to this ergonomic stuff. I told the therapist what I was doing and she make some recommendations how I could improve my work area to be more ergonomical correct. She also told me about the mouse and keyboard supports.

I rebuilt my casting bench lower so that when I used it my arms where in a natural position when pouring, instead of holding them up under strain all of the time. You want to have your elbows as close to straight up and down bending at the elbow. Also if you were to have a way to rest your forearms while pouring. I will get a picture of my bench so you can see the basic idea. I have a non-heat conductive area at the front edge of my bench to rest my forearms on.

Another thing I do is take a motrin when it flares up. Ibuprophen is an anti inflamatory OTC drug that will help with the swelling of the tendons that cause the pain. It won't take away the pain, but it will help with the inflamation. Just be careful how much and how often you take it.

LBT Moulds are certainly better than say a H&G when it come to holding it up for extended periods of time. I rest mine on the edge of the pot when I pour the big boys. The reduced weight of the LBT certainly makes casting a pleasure, but the production of those H&G's cant be beat and the bullets are of very good quality.

For jobs that cause vibration to the hnads a wrists I found this cool little thing you strap on your wrists that reduce the felt vibration by 50%. Also works when shooting handguns. I was so impressed with them I bought a bunch of them so the fellows I shoot with could have access to them. I still have 10 or so pairs, if you are interested I would be willing to sell you a couple.

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Ed Harris posted this 16 January 2008

Ditto everything that Jeff said. I've also been through the mill on this one, had the surgery, changed jobs, got rid of the hard kicking handguns, etc.

For max production a pair of 4-cavity aluminum moulds is ideal. They weigh no more than iron DCs. Pre-heat blocks on a hotplate, Initially use one block and run about 5-6 pours through quickly to bring up to heat and leave it full and set aside while you to the same to the other, then start alternating in a relaxes rhythm. I like to cast in a standing position, so have my bench raised up to do so and use a 1” thick perforated rubber shop mat to stand on. I also use two RCBS Pro-Melt pots so that I can cast from one while the other is coming up to heat. Once I get in the mood for a casting orgy I can run about 100 pounds of .38 or .45 wadcutter in an 8 hour Saturday with breaks. Do your stretching exercises before and take ibruprophen 30 minutes before you start.

I get best match quality bullets when listening to classical music. Bluegrass and Celtic works when reloading but nothing quite beats CCR, the Doors and Iron Butterfly when its time to render range scrap into ingots and flame off the flux!

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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linoww posted this 16 January 2008

Once I get in the mood for a casting orgy I can run about 100 pounds of .38 or .45 wadcutter in an 8 hour Saturday with breaks.

 

Friend Bob Mills emptied a 10# pot with a single cavity 225462 in a single settting one day.He said he had the TV on and just lost track of time.It was all bottom pour and there was barely enough metal for the last bullet.He saved it and it still went into a very small group.

If you call your sessions “casting orgies” then that must make him John Holmes.

George

"if it was easy we'd let women do it" don't tell my wife I said that!

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Ed Harris posted this 16 January 2008

Absolutely, Bob is no doubt invigorated, refreshed and ready for a nice glass of Chardonnay while inspecting the fruits of his labor.

When I get done I'm hot, sweaty, tired and ready for a hot shower, a double Scotch and fall asleep in my Lazy Boy chair.

There is something to be said for patience, concentration, deliberation and staying power.

Oh my!

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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CB posted this 16 January 2008

Gheeezh We went from talking about bullet moulds to cast to carpal tunnel to ergonomics, music, drinking, Johnny Holmes and now do I detect a bit of sexual overture??

Ed I never suspected you of listening to Iron Butterfly or the Doors... CCR I can understand..

I generally listen to a Toledo radio station, WIQB, they are pretty conservative as far as rock stations go, play a pretty good mix of older and newer stuff.

But when I get down to that casting orgy (mine usually last for about a weeK) it's Lynyrd Skynyrd, Eric Clapton, ZZ Top, SRV and Joe Satriani...

See now you guys got me doing it...

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Ed Harris posted this 16 January 2008

Jeff Bowles wrote: ...I never suspected you of listening to Iron Butterfly or the Doors... CCR I can understand... Fortunately the acid rock and heavy metal are but faint memories of a long ago mis-spent youth.  Which music accompanies casting and reloading mostly depends depends upon the day of week and time of day and what is on WAMU.  The radio in the shop is normally tuned to the local NPR station and I do enjoy the classical, bluegrass, honkey-tonk or olde time radio reruns of Johnny Dollar, Gunsmoke and Dragnet, but sometimes the good stufdf gets pre-empted by politically correct liberal claptrap, which makes me et angry, so out come my antique 8-tracks and Katy bar the door!

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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CB posted this 16 January 2008

I live so far out in the country, that my shop radio has to play CDs. I haven't put up a mast that clears to hill top to pickup radio.

I like multicavity molds to do production work on what I shoot the most, which 45, 44, 9mm, and 30 cal. I still have a large pile (actually 5,000) for 357/38s.

Jerry

Jerry

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